Why are 17s not a good idea , anybody ??

[MartinR]

tramlining, camber chasing and a substantial increase in NVH

All of which can be adjusted by using a better quality tyre, having alignment etc correctrd after putting bigger wheels on (most never get it done) and adjust the pressures accordingly. Not the oh i will chuck 32psi in all four as thats what ive always put in.

Tramlining and camber chasing can be caused by worn suspension components to. 17's imo will exagerate any play etc. That Nvh is a load of b****cks tbh so increasing overall tyre diameter by around 6mm over the standard 16" size it substansialy increases nvh lol.
Its more down to the brand of tyre used and weight of the wheel in question.

There are so many different diversties surrounding wheels and what not. I personally just put it down to cs hating them because a more popular poster doesn't like them and needs to "fit in" not be the outsider.

Over the years there has been many threads on this subject and all of them go the same way. The same as take for instance you don't have turinis, oz f1's, pro race 1.2's etc you are frowned upon.

Oh and i run neither 15s or 17's i think 15's look stupid. But thats my opinion i don't go round slating everyone who has them saying " that looks s**t" ( i'm not saying you have ) each to their own imo.

 

[trails]

All of which can be adjusted by using a better quality tyre, having alignment etc correctrd after putting bigger wheels on (most never get it done) and adjust the pressures accordingly. Not the oh i will chuck 32psi in all four as thats what ive always put in.

Tramlining and camber chasing can be caused by worn suspension components to. 17's imo will exagerate any play etc. That Nvh is a load of b****cks tbh so increasing overall tyre diameter by around 6mm over the standard 16" size it substansialy increases nvh lol.
Its more down to the brand of tyre used and weight of the wheel in question.

There are so many different diversties surrounding wheels and what not. I personally just put it down to cs hating them because a more popular poster doesn't like them and needs to "fit in" not be the outsider.

Over the years there has been many threads on this subject and all of them go the same way. The same as take for instance you don't have turinis, oz f1's, pro race 1.2's etc you are frowned upon.

Oh and i run neither 15s or 17's i think 15's look stupid. But thats my opinion i don't go round slating everyone who has them saying " that looks s**t" ( i'm not saying you have ) each to their own imo.

You can perhaps reduce NVH by choosing a better quality tyre, having alignment corrected, replacing worn suspension components and adjusting tyre pressures...but all those actions are applicable to all wheel sizes; you are reducing the size of the sidewall which reduces compliance and increases NVH...that is simple physics not b****cks

Personally there are no f***s given for what's popular or not from my perspective, as a 41 year old bloke if I did I'd have conformed a bought a VAG/Bimmer as my daily instead of running a crappy old Clio that makes me giggle

 

[MartinR]

Flol. Classing yourself as old at 41

This thread can keep going in circles so im bailing.

Physics do come into it yes but its minimal reduction imo so nvh is extremley minimal in the prospective to an increase.

Good day

 

[Chip-mk1]

That Nvh is a load of b****cks tbh so increasing overall tyre diameter by around 6mm over the standard 16" size it substansialy increases nvh lol.
Its more down to the brand of tyre used and weight of the wheel in question.

LOL!

Mate, its down to going from a cushion of about 100mm of air and sidewall on 195/50/15 to a 80mm or so cushion on 205/40

 

[MartinR]

:rasp:

 

[trails]

Flol. Classing yourself as old at 41

This thread can keep going in circles so im bailing.

Physics do come into it yes but its minimal reduction imo so nvh is extremley minimal in the prospective to an increase.

Good day

Hahahaha I'm a little worn out through my lifestyle choices but not old; I was just using it as an illustration to show I'm not swayed by the in-crowd

You are right, this will go round in circles as it's not easy for people to accept when they are wrong...the decrease in driving enjoyment is cumulative; NVH increase may not be substantial in isolation but along with the other negative behaviours reducing the tyre side wall has it still influences the overall experience.

 

[Mr Burns]

Can't be bothered to read the last 5 pages but I put 17" OZ wheels on my 172 and it ruined the cars handling. I lost all faith in taking corners at speed and bought another set of 16"s = Problem solved. The person who bought the 17"s off me sold them on too because it ruined the handling...

 

[Chip-mk1]

You are right, this will go round in circles as it's not easy for people to accept when they are wrong...the decrease in driving enjoyment is cumulative; NVH increase may not be substantial in isolation but along with the other negative behaviours reducing the tyre side wall has it still influences the overall experience.

But some people LIKE noise when they are driving as it adds to the drama, look at how popular noisey exhausts are for example, so its a matter of opinion rather than right or wrong in the context of roadcar handling, response on initial turn in for example will normally be better on low profiles, so that is a positive aspect of their handling, being pulled around by bumps is a negative, we will all apply different weights to each aspect though.

A clio on 17s is still a car that handles better than most people need for normal day to day pottering about on the road going to tescos and back etc.

 

[plymcl172]

Your wrong ! if you are correct then you 17s had the wrong offset !

this is what I keep telling them but they don't listen !

 

[plymcl172]

Using race cars as an analogy sucks; they are designed for tracks which are -generally- smoother environments...it's not speed it's about compliance, feedback and dressing appropriately for the conditions i.e. our crap roads...that is all assuming the drive is more important than running huge rims

if u read the thread which you clearly haven't, this picture was posted because someone compared my car to an F1 car!! and also said that most cars on track now don't use big wheels. It was to prove a point. When have I ever compared my Clio to a race car, my car doesn't go near a track!

reading the thread does help though..... these newbies .... I dunno...

 

[trails]

But some people LIKE noise when they are driving as it adds to the drama, look at how popular noisey exhausts are for example, so its a matter of opinion rather than right or wrong in the context of roadcar handling, response on initial turn in for example will normally be better on low profiles, so that is a positive aspect of their handling, being pulled around by bumps is a negative, we will all apply different weights to each aspect though.

A clio on 17s is still a car that handles better than most people need for normal day to day pottering about on the road going to tescos and back etc.

Agreed, but surely the right noises (I have a decat and Maxogen)...and NVH isn't just about noise that is only one of the measures.

Totally agree this discussion is about fitness for purpose which is about compromise; 17s may well give better turn in on a smooth road (track), but that improvement is lost when a camber change or poorly surfaced road is thrown into the mix.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Agreed, but surely the right noises (I have a decat and Maxogen)...and NVH isn't just about noise that is only one of the measures.

some people even enjoy a bumpy harsh ride though, again its down to prefence, im knocking 40 so would sooner be comfy, lol.

Totally agree this discussion is about fitness for purpose which is about compromise; 17s may well give better turn in on a smooth road (track), but that improvement is lost when a camber change or poorly surfaced road is thrown into the mix.

Yep, all a compromise.

 

[MartinR]

Nvhr

noise , vibration, harshness and rattles

french build quality in one

 

[trails]

some people even enjoy a bumpy harsh ride though, again its down to prefence, im knocking 40 so would sooner be comfy, lol.

Yep, all a compromise.

with you there matie...I ache in all the wrong places these days

 

[plymcl172]

and it f**ks up the way it drives?

care to explain this ?

 

[trails]

care to explain this ?

as I said to martin182; read my posts

 

[plymcl172]

no, so you think 17's f***s up the handling then ?

 

[trails]

no, so you think 17's f**ks up the handling then ?

I'm not repeating myself...it's all there for you to read

 

[plymcl172]

I have read it all, so you think 17's handle crap yes?

if u do answer this

have you ever driven a Clio 1*2 on 17's?

 

[MartinR]

no, so you think 17's f***s up the handling then ?

I have read it all, so you think 17's handle crap yes?

if u do answer this

have you ever driven a Clio 1*2 on 17's?

Do you have to be so abrupt and rude? Them bootss must be massive :rasp:

 

[trails]

I have read it all, so you think 17's handle crap yes?

if u do answer this

have you ever driven a Clio 1*2 on 17's?

At no point have I said that 17s handle crap...I said it f***s up the way 1*2s drive on crappy UK roads -obviously in comparisome to OE fit size wheels.

No, and I don't need to; I have driven cars that are over wheeled and the same physics applies to all cars

 

[trails]

Do you have to be so abrupt and rude? Them bootss must be massive :rasp:

:lolup:

 

[Dave..]

The only people who are able to pass comment in this thread are those who have tried each wheel size on the same car.

have the 17" brigade ever driven on 15s to see why we bang on about it?

 

[trails]

The only people who are able to pass comment in this thread are those who have tried each wheel size on the same car.

have the 17" brigade ever driven on 15s to see why we bang on about it?

disagree fundamentally with that...physics of wheel size increase are the same on any car

 

[Jekyll]

Seems to go round in circles in here (no pun intended).