why? BTCC question

[Harry_manback]

Why doesnt anyone enter a clio cup race car in the BTCC?

is there a rule which the clio breaks?

 

[Cookie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_2000 <-- Cars need to be built to these rules now

 

[Day]

Doesnt conform to S2000 regs plus It would be too slow anyhow.

 

[S22 JGS]

as day says..... also it would be bashed off like a mouse

 

[Craig]

it just cant compete with the big boys

 

[tommyboy]

as day says..... also it would be bashed off like a mouse

I reckon it'd be closer than everyone thinks!

The current BTCC cars are pish. Way way too slow, tiny wheels, don't look the part anymore.

Much preferred Super Tourer's - real racing, Menu, Rydell, Tarquini, Plato in the beasty Vectra, Kristensen, Neal in the Primera, Leslie, Reid.... some legends back in the day!! They would piss on the Clio

 

[clio__chris]

it just cant compete with the big boys

that doesnt stop the alfa's going out for every race lol

remember the laguna's from back in the day....... awesome

 

[tommyboy]

it just cant compete with the big boys

that doesnt stop the alfa's going out for every race lol

remember the laguna's from back in the day....... awesome

the laguna's we're my fave! menu was king

 

[Cookie]

The Laguna's were up for sale not too long ago IIRC

 

[Craig]

yep remember the lagunas they were good

 

[clio__chris]

nice blue wheels lol

 

[tommyboy]

The Laguna's were up for sale not too long ago IIRC

correct. around £40k each iirc??!

imagine owning one

 

[tommyboy]

nice blue wheels lol

but the size of them....

compared to today's trolley wheels! there was more action aswell back then imo

I want it to go back in time to those days..

 

[Craig]

didnt you get spare everything including shell for £40k

 

[Jay Payne]

as day says..... also it would be bashed off like a mouse

Much preferred Super Tourer's - real racing, Menu, Rydell, Tarquini, Plato in the beasty Vectra, Kristensen, Neal in the Primera, Leslie, Reid.... some legends back in the day!! They would piss on the Clio

Supertouring died coz it was too expensive, manufacturers spent millions on research and development. iirc super 2000 reqs mean they have to use off the shelf parts that are the same on all cars. Means they are way cheeper to build and run.

But agree the 90's super touring era was legndary.

Especialy with old murray on the mic

 

[Fred@BTM]

the current btcc cars aren't slow! but the old days when David Leslie was in the Primera, that was when it was at its peak IMO (other than the ford cosworth days)

 

[tommyboy]

the current btcc cars aren't slow! but the old days when David Leslie was in the Primera, that was when it was at its peak IMO (other than the ford cosworth days)

slow in comparison Fred lol

I'm glad you concur though, those days when Neal was battling it out with the works Primeras, big clashes at Oulton and Brands spring to minds we're the days!!

Ford Cosworth days we're something else, just immense! with the E36 3 series driven by legendary Soper

 

[tommyboy]

Much preferred Super Tourer's - real racing, Menu, Rydell, Tarquini, Plato in the beasty Vectra, Kristensen, Neal in the Primera, Leslie, Reid.... some legends back in the day!! They would piss on the Clio

Supertouring died coz it was too expensive, manufacturers spent millions on research and development. iirc super 2000 reqs mean they have to use off the shelf parts that are the same on all cars. Means they are way cheeper to build and run.

Especialy with old murray on the mic

Indeed, just such a shame! I used to get excited going to see BTCC, now it's just, well not as 'beefy' if that's a good word to use, lol :S
But agree the 90's super touring era was legndary.

 

[Fred@BTM]

I was chatting to David Leslie at Stonley, he does a lot of work with my old college and the MIA, he's' still the lap record holder round donnington park in that Primera

 

[tommyboy]

I was chatting to David Leslie at Stonley, he does a lot of work with my old college and the MIA, he's' still the lap record holder round donnington park in that Primera

Ah nice. He's a legend. Once the pit lane was closing at Brands but he took his time and was chatting away to us even though we we're being ushered out. Top top bloke and deservedly the record holder at Donington

 

[Harry_manback]

FIA specifications include the following:[3]

Derived from production model, of which 2500 have been produced in the past year
Maximum of 2 liter displacement
Maximum of 280 bhp
Normal Aspiration
All wheel drive is permitted in rally cars, but not in touring cars. (Control part made by Sadev, common to all S2000 rally vehicles)
6-speed sequential gearbox (Control part made by Sadev, common to all S2000 rally vehicles. No electronics allowed in differentials)
Front and rear McPherson suspension
No electronic driver aids
Maximum width of 1.8 meters
Must be for sale at a maximum price of €168,000.[4]


what part of that doesnt a clio conform to?

id like to see the difference between btcc time and btcc times round donnington.

 

[Fred@BTM]

i didn't realise who he was and i worked with him all day at Autosport this year LOL!!!

 

[tommyboy]

i didn't realise who he was and i worked with him all day at Autosport this year LOL!!!

lmao!

I'm sure he was happy about not being recognized all these years on

 

[tommyboy]

FIA specifications include the following:[3]

Derived from production model, of which 2500 have been produced in the past year
Maximum of 2 liter displacement
Maximum of 280 bhp
Normal Aspiration
All wheel drive is permitted in rally cars, but not in touring cars. (Control part made by Sadev, common to all S2000 rally vehicles)
6-speed sequential gearbox (Control part made by Sadev, common to all S2000 rally vehicles. No electronics allowed in differentials)
Front and rear McPherson suspension
No electronic driver aids
Maximum width of 1.8 meters
Must be for sale at a maximum price of €168,000.[4]


what part of that doesnt a clio conform to?

id like to see the difference between btcc time and btcc times round donnington.

max 280bhp...

DTM's are 470bhp iirc?!! shocking

 

[Harry_manback]

nice blue wheels lol

i prefered the green ones with gold wheels.


http://www.redshoes-archive.com/res/image.php?ID=768

 

[Fred@BTM]

he's completley different to the current drivers (like that wanker Plato) no one asked for his autograph or anything lol! poor bloke!

 

[Harry_manback]

http://www.redshoes-archive.com/gallery.php

for your browsing pleasure.

 

[tommyboy]

nice blue wheels lol

i prefered the green ones with gold wheels.


http://www.redshoes-archive.com/res/image.php?ID=768

tis lovely, still got that and the 97' blue/yellow car in Scalextric

 

[Harry_manback]

FIA specifications include the following:[3]

Derived from production model, of which 2500 have been produced in the past year
Maximum of 2 liter displacement
Maximum of 280 bhp
Normal Aspiration
All wheel drive is permitted in rally cars, but not in touring cars. (Control part made by Sadev, common to all S2000 rally vehicles)
6-speed sequential gearbox (Control part made by Sadev, common to all S2000 rally vehicles. No electronics allowed in differentials)
Front and rear McPherson suspension
No electronic driver aids
Maximum width of 1.8 meters
Must be for sale at a maximum price of €168,000.[4]


what part of that doesnt a clio conform to?

id like to see the difference between btcc time and btcc times round donnington.

max 280bhp...

DTM's are 470bhp iirc?!! shocking

last time i checked the clio cups weren't more than that, despite many claims on cliosport.

 

[tommyboy]

he's completley different to the current drivers (like that w**ker Plato) no one asked for his autograph or anything lol! poor bloke!

couldn't agree more! shame really but him an anthony reid owned the btcc at times! not forgetting laurent aiello raping that one year he did when he won the title. mighty impressive stuff

 

[tommyboy]

http://www.redshoes-archive.com/gallery.php

for your browsing pleasure.

nice find mate, top work

 

[mrgund]

what part of that doesnt a clio conform to?

.............. Gearbox and driver aids maybe? But, have to admit i would like to see a Clio in there. But they wouldn't hold up would they really?

 

[tommyboy]

what part of that doesnt a clio conform to?

.............. Gearbox and driver aids maybe? But, have to admit i would like to see a Clio in there. But they wouldn't hold up would they really?

No they wouldn't. Get owned on the straights, but the twisties there's only one winner lol

 

[clio__chris]

also it would be a bit light weight i should think (light rear end) so would probably make it an easy target

think about it..... a leon, integra, bmw, vectra
all pretty big cars

vauxhall & team halfords both switched from hatchbacks to bigger cars recently to be more competitive (iirc @ the faster tracks the hatchbacks were struggling)

 

[Day]

id like to see the difference between btcc time and btcc times round donnington.

Donington (with one n) National Jul 2006

Clio Cup 1:19.142
S2000 BTCC Seat Leon 1:13.185
Porsche Cup 1:09.490
Seat Cupra 1:17.025
F Renault 2000 1:06.404

 

[tommyboy]

also it would be a bit light weight i should think (light rear end) so would probably make it an easy target

think about it..... a leon, integra, bmw, vectra
all pretty big cars

vauxhall & team halfords both switched from hatchbacks to bigger cars recently to be more competitive (iirc the faster tracks the hatchbacks were struggling)

valid point :lolup:

 

[tommyboy]

id like to see the difference between btcc time and btcc times round donnington.

Donington (with one n) National Jul 2006

Clio Cup 1:19.142
S2000 BTCC Seat Leon 1:13.185
Porsche Cup 1:09.490
Seat Cupra 1:17.025
F Renault 2000 1:06.404

ah there's our evidence right there

 

[Harry_manback]

fair point!




are leons faster than clios?

didnt know that either.

 

[_Kenny_]

nice blue wheels lol

the best days

 

[tommyboy]

^ yup

long gone..