Williams Or Mine..

[Daz]

Been thinking about this..

Been looking for a 16v.. then went onto a Williams.. but looking at my car, I sometimes dont wanna sell it - but I do want a bit more power etc.. I, personally, think it looks nice..

Ive spent a fortune on mine.. and then some.. so selling it, Im a bit reluctant but I think I would if the right Williams2/3 came along.

Sitting here now, Im thinking.. which is bad..

I could sell mine and get a Williams.. Done..

-or-

Keep mine, slap some coilovers on it.. some Phase2 16v seats or something, add a few electrics (namely, electric windows..) and then do an engine conversion.. which is what I was going to do originally. Id only consider a 1.4 GTT engine in it I think.. but its the cost. I reckon itd be abotu 3k for an engine conversion, which Im not going to do.. I could have a lot of car for 3k + my car. Any way I can get it cheaper? Maybe by getting a good donor car and just doing a swap?

If I could get Coilovers, Seats (Id want some P2 16vs I think..) and an Engine swap for sensible money.. I *might* reconsider.

So, what do people think? Keep mine, spend a bit more on it.. and then, have a custom turbo Clio (which sounds quite tempting - even if I do have a soft spot for Dump Valves)... or.. just sell it and get a Williams.

I know people might not agree, personal taste etc.. but I do like my cars looks and, dare I say it, I prefer it to the Williams..

Thanks..

Daz. (... who likes writing Essays..)

 

[Slugger]

hahaha I think you need to decide what you want young man

 

[Slugger]

you said you didnt need to sell yours and had .... to spend on a williams and now youre sying you could have alot of car for 3k +your car

make up your mind you

 

[Martin]

I think if you can get the a GTT conversion done for around 1-2k I would go for it. BUT there is something special about driving a Williams, its more than a valver with a 2 litre engine. I think buying a Williams would be a better investment than raking thousands into your car. I had to make this decision when I was thinking of putting a VTS engine into my modded VTR. In the end (even though I bought a sh*tter) I think I made the right decision.

 

[cliosportcraig]

definately a willams !! Theres no comparison to a GTT conversion with coilovers !! willy hands down !!

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by Slugger on 15 February 2004


you said you didnt need to sell yours and had .... to spend on a williams and now youre sying you could have alot of car for 3k +your car

Thats only temporary, silly man. Id have to sell mine eventually to pay for the Williams.. Duh!

cliosportcraig, true.. but, theres something special about a turbo to me.. and Id sacrifice some of the handling for that.. personally..

MartinS, Yea.. I know, but.. Im gunna lose so much anyway. Id buy a Williams with the money I got for mine.. and then when I sell that Id probably lose money AGAIN.. so why not just use that money now? I dunno.. hehe.

I go outside, see my car and really like it. I love driving it.. never get bored even tho its a 1.2.. Thats a special car to me.. something you never get tired of driving. I just want a bit more poke!

 

[Adams_16v]

i didnt want to sell my last car, but as soon as i got in the valver, all was forgotten! do it mate!

 

[cliosportcraig]

one thing i need to add !! Williams dont come in 5 door !! Yeah turbos are great and so is turning up the boost and easy tuning !! but pumping more money into your car is just gonna loose you more money !! A williams is a good investment and seem to hold thier value very well !! Whereas an old GTT engined 1.2 with 100k+ will devalue more than christmas cards on boxing day !!

 

[cliosportcraig]

just my 2 pence !! But to me there is no real decision !!

 

[Daz]

Well,

I was walking through a car-park yesterday.. and this Fiesta Turbo went past.. and he saw me look cus I heard him come up the hill.. and he went past me and "vroooooooooooooom, TISH!".

So what do I do? I come home and look at Escort RSTs.. much to Sluggers disgust on MSN.. HAHA. Anyway, I was thinking then.. about my original plans.. why not, um, slam a turbo engine in my car..

.. then I started thinking about £ again.. hehe.

 

[Martin]

If I had a GTT Clio I would end up with an empty bank account and 200+ bhp. Would be a real Q car though, blowing away unsuspecting BMWs, 172s, etc would be a great laugh.

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by cliosportcraig on 15 February 2004

Whereas an old GTT engined 1.2 with 100k+ will devalue more than christmas cards on boxing day !!

True, but if I did put a R5 engine in it, Id have it for years to come.. and Id probably just run and run it until I could afford something like an Impreza.. haha.

If I could get a cheapish conversion on mine, Id save more than Id lose by selling mine, buying a Williams then selling that in the future.

(Oh, and I think mine looks quite nice with 5 doors and the mods.. but thats me.. so, I dont care.. haha!)

 

[cliosportcraig]

Do you remember how much trouble hollywood hogan had selling his car ?? all that money he spent on it just windled away !!

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by MartinS on 15 February 2004

If I had a GTT Clio I would end up with an empty bank account and 200+ bhp. Would be a real Q car though, blowing away unsuspecting BMWs, 172s, etc would be a great laugh.

Yea.. but Im going to end up with an empty bank account anyway by selling mine and buying a Williams.. haha.

Swings and Roundabouts.. damn things, cause me headaches.

 

[edde]

If you have the spare 3k then you need to think about what you realy want a williams or a more unique car. There are only a few GTT Clios out there and a moded car will stand out more IMO than a Williams anyone can buy a stock car takes someone with some bravery to do a GTT conversion.

A GTT will cost you about £1k to drop ino the car from most companies (BRUN seems to rave of Andy at GDI) Plus then there the doner car cost whoich can vary massivly (your best of buying a whole car rather than the pieces) A GTT car to use will cost about £500 so for £1500 your looking at for a GTT coversion.

But at the end of the day I think you need to think about hat you want test drive a Williams and wee if thats what you want and then go what what you want sesale value means nothing if your not happy with it. I think youve made you mind up about and your going to spend th money on your car though as the only thing for a Williams is its better value for money.

EDD

 

[cliosportcraig]

yeah no arguing your 5door looks the mutts but wouldnt you PREFER a 3 door ? how much have u spent on your car and how long have you had it !! I doubt youd keep a clio GTT more than a couple of years !! The willy seems the sensible option mate !!

 

[Daz]

Not made my mind up - Ive been going to look at Valvers and been looking for Williams for ages now.. Put mine up for sale etc.. just started to think tonight. Been all over the country with Mat looking at Valvers.. then started looking for Williams.

I drove a Williams.. Was mint, so much power and mint handling etc.. but it was just power I liked. What would happen if I woke up tomorrow and my car was turbod? Would I want to sell then?

Maybe I was blinded by the power and instant go when ya planted the throttle.. Dunno, but it was nice being pinned in ya seat!



Craig, nope, wouldnt prefer a 3 door.. not now. I dont think my 5 door, next to a 3 door with the same mods would be any improvement - some people hate 5 doors.. personaly preference again!

Yea, Williams is a classic, goes well etc.. whole package - thats why I was looking for one. Definetly more sensible.. everyone says so, but then, putting low fibreglass bumpers on a car wasnt sensible at all.. kerbs dont just bend stuff.. they shatter the stuff.

I dont think £1500 is bad.. but I would need to find a good running, R5 for £500.. not easy! Thats why people buy £300 R5s and have a full rebuild.. which then makes the whole conversion a bit too pricey for me.. (and the reason I started looking at 16vs/Williams). Id also want some new suspension and new seats.. so that puts it up by about £500 I would imagine, too..

Thanks for all ya posts..

 

[Ben H]

Just to rock the boat a little, have you considered buying a dog-eared Phase1 16V and doing a BB Tuning/GT Turbo conversion to that? No offence to the non-16V/Willy cars, but a 16V is a far better starting point for a major project like forced induction.

For starters, think of the fatter tracks, anti-roll bars, beefed up rear torsion bar set-up, shocks, engine mounts, braking system, cooling system, electrics, interior, bumpers, bonnet bulge and bigger arches that a 16V has. These are pretty much all the things youd want your 1.2 to have to handle the GT Turbo transplant and look good with it... except they come for free with a 16V!

If you buy a Williams, youre effectively writing a contract with yourself to do very minor mods - if at all. Theres no need to modify a 16V, but at least theres not the stigma you get with moding a Williams. Personally, Im very happy to keep my Williams totally standard, but would you with your history of serious personalisation of your car??

Whether you do the GT Turbo conversion to your 1.2 or do something similar to a Valver, remember that they take a while to get right and might not be suitable for hassle-free motoring in terms of having to go back to a very specialised garage for each service/maintenance item.

 

[Daz]

Hehe, but then.. I could buy a 16v.. BUT, Ill lose money on mine and that - then Ill have to spend instantly again to get it modded/turbod.

My problem is, and its Mats fault .. I spot everything wrong with a car - from minor dinks to laquer runs - finding a car Id buy is terrible.. heh. Ok, I know mine isnt absolultly perfect - but at least I already know whats up with it and the work Ive had done!

To get a cheap 16v, it would cost me lots to get it up to a standard Id be happy with - before I even think about Turbos etc..

I prefer the looks of mine to a 16v anyway. Everything else is handling differences and interior - I could probably wait for a good bargain on some electrics and interior. I think I might substitute some of the handling for a turbod car..

Somethings telling me keep mine - keep working on it, making it totally unique.. but then somthing else, maybe my sensible side, is saying sell up and get a Williams..

What would be nice.. is.. to drive a GTT RT or something, just to see how it compares, from my perspective.. to a Williams.

 

[Clart]

willy.

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by Mitsi on 15 February 2004

willy.

... to you too.

 

[Mondial172]

A 1.2 Clio isnt a good base for a hot hatch now is it?

Williams all the way!

 

[Daz]

No.. not standard.. I wouldnt want more than a 1.2 on the standard brakes, suspension etc.. but then, it wont be standard.. so...

 

[BRUN]

Quote: Originally posted by Ben H on 15 February 2004


No offence to the non-16V/Willy cars, but a 16V is a far better starting point for a major project like forced induction.

just how do you work that one out mate ?

the 16v engine is sh*te for value for money mods, it takes mega money to get any decent bhp gains out of em, with a GTT engine you can get decent genuine gains relatively cheaply

 

[BRUN]

oh and if you want a ride in a Clio GTT mate come to GDI with me when i go down next for Andy to turn my boost up for me......

although i aint gonna let you drive it, as i dont let anyone drive my car, i will take you for a ride in it......

 

[Matbrown]

Pah!



Mat.

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by matbrown on 16 February 2004


Pah!

Mat.

Hehe.

 

[Ben P]

Ha ha now who cant make their mind up!

My advice is just take your time. I made the wrong choice coz Im impatient

 

[Martin]

Quote: Originally posted by Ben H on 15 February 2004


If you buy a Williams, youre effectively writing a contract with yourself to do very minor mods - if at all. Theres no need to modify a 16V, but at least theres not the stigma you get with moding a Williams.



sh*t! I am going to be on the run from the Williams modifying police!

 

[Ben H]

Quote: Originally posted by BRUN on 16 February 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Ben H on 15 February 2004


No offence to the non-16V/Willy cars, but a 16V is a far better starting point for a major project like forced induction.

just how do you work that one out mate ?

the 16v engine is sh*te for value for money mods, it takes mega money to get any decent bhp gains out of em, with a GTT engine you can get decent genuine gains relatively cheaply

I also said in the sentence before that "Just to rock the boat a little, have you considered buying a dog-eared Phase1 16V and doing a BB Tuning/GT Turbo conversion to that?"

I was talking about the 16V car, not the engine!

 

[FATBOY]

get a williams!!! i bought one just 2 days ago on valentines day!!! best move i ever made!!!who needs birds when ya got ya willy!!! lol

 

[Martin]

Fatboy things will start to go wrong soon..... or maybe you got one of those elusive MINT Williams. Most cars need 100s spent on them to sort wear and tear.

 

[FATBOY]

i know mate! nothing lasts forever! course im gonna be spending all this money as its my pride and joy!!! and its not like ive never owned a car before!

 

[007]

My Williams has had only a few minor things done in the last year.

The Alternator belt needed replacing.

One new brake pipe.

New rear brake pads.

And the worst - a electrical fault in the alarm immobiliser.

Just had the MOT and needed nothing - its used everyday to get to and from my work.

Only the brake pads have been done in the last 7 months - other than that nowt since July!

It had 26,500 when I bought it and now its at 32,300 odd.

 

[specialK]

anything you like Hon, as long as you stick with a clio of some kind and stay a member !!!

 

[Clio_novice]

Get a GTT conversion, vvrrrrrmmmm tssshhhhh, you gotta love the sound.

A unique 5 door modded turbo clio, or a willy??? TURBO, TURBO, TURBO (you should already have a willy)

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by specialK on 16 February 2004anything you like Hon, as long as you stick with a clio of some kind and stay a member !!! 


Hehe. Of course, would have to be a Clio - where would I be without being able to spam here as much as I do?!

Oh, and then theres the Scotland trip..

 

[Matbrown]

*All bets are off for who gets lost first on the scotland trip*

Didnt realise Daz was going!!!



Mat.

 

[northy]

Bought mine - and havent stopped spending since, but youve got to give it the attention it deserves. Havent driven it since christmas due to a alarm fault - (what was yours 007, might help me?)

 

[Daz]

Quote: Originally posted by matbrown on 17 February 2004


*All bets are off for who gets lost first on the scotland trip*

Didnt realise Daz was going!!!

Mat.

hahaha. Now taking bets: "How many people can Daz get lost with him"