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Photobucket them?
stevo172-RWD
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must admit. that looks a lot better set up than the usual bodies conversion, purely for the inlet /butterfly shape.
dig me up when ones actually produced
Looks good, is the inlet length adjustable for varying setups? or fixed? Will the slam panel have to be modified to fit them? Are you going to do them as a complete package?
Looks good, is the inlet length adjustable for varying setups? or fixed? Will the slam panel have to be modified to fit them? Are you going to do them as a complete package?
They are not adjustable in situ, but there are options for length depending on whether you want to modify the slam panel or not, if you want to keep aircon (a hard task due to space mostly for the air filter), or if you just want to purely tune for peak performance.
It will be sold as a package as all hardare, TPS sensor, air filter setup etc etc.
Once fully developed a full kit with radiator, ECU, plug and play loom and optional aux system setup will be available.
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I wish I'd of gone TB now lol
lolThe ground breaking bit is that you have adapted it to a Clio, I think people were expecting it to be something new with all the secrecy. Just expected something refreshingly new and innovative, still, good idea, even if seemingly pointless. Being able to keep the aircon and increase performance and you'd deffo be onto a winner.
As long as it improves on 8+ month build times for ITB'd cars it should make you some money though.
As long as it improves on 8+ month build times for ITB'd cars it should make you some money though.
Direct to head throttle bodies designed specifically for clios by a clio specialist.
Why is it pointless that a company is developing tuning parts for the cars that most of the people on this website are into tuning?
I suppose we would be better off using the generic Jenvey setup?
oh and GDI to fit it because they are the bestest company in the whole wide world.
BenR said:anybody interested in bodies needs to wait till Jan, there will be some exciting new developments
BenR said:
Mark, re-read the bold statments previously made. Just seems pointless in that you still cant keep the aircon due to space and it doesn't make any more power... having said that it could be far cheaper, but nothing has been mentioned as regards costs... so based on the info given
Ralph, probably a good idea... if you want a job doing properly (and actually finishing) lol
BenR said:
Mark, re-read the bold statments previously made. Just seems pointless in that you still cant keep the aircon due to space and it doesn't make any more power... having said that it could be far cheaper, but nothing has been mentioned as regards costs... so based on the info given
Ralph, probably a good idea... if you want a job doing properly (and actually finishing) lol
I am not sure what you expected Ben to produce?
Something so radical that it had never been seen anywhere before? A magical 20bhp extra over the Jenvey ITB setup?
You clog the forum with posts about how great GDI's new Piper exhaust is. Surely if you really gave a s**t about tuning engines you would find this more exciting then a SS exhaust.
The exciting parts is the increase in efficiency that allows us to run a much smaller throttle area for any given BHP potential, in english that means higher velocity and more torque earlier on. Were at the point with the IC engine that people spend lots of time and money to gain percentage points, if i were to attain 15% increase do you think i would be living the life i am at the moment or reaping the rewards of selling the idea?
It is refreshing in that it is a complete and comprehensive kit, not leaving the customer to sort out issues on sundry fitment and poor manufacture.
And regarding the issue of aircon, the ITB's and new inlets are not the same thing..........but its not really a concern of ours to keep everybody upto date on our developments, i'll do things at my own pace as and when time for 'play' allows.
It's still a good product but I'm not going to go into a full on sack swinging session with you guys over it. It's great if it's cheaper, makes more power, can keep aircon etc etc... if not it's a lot of effort for a bit of space and negligable weight saving.
It makes no real difference to me either way, my car already has throttle bodies and the chances of taking them off and ditching them for ones alleged to be better are slim to none, unless it's a justifiable cost. If buying new it would simply boil down to which makes better cost/performance ratio. Couldn't care less about things like slam panels which personally I'd remove anyway for better air supply. The increase in torque sounds good though, just have to see how this transpires in the real world.
Looking forward to seeing the end results
It makes no real difference to me either way, my car already has throttle bodies and the chances of taking them off and ditching them for ones alleged to be better are slim to none, unless it's a justifiable cost. If buying new it would simply boil down to which makes better cost/performance ratio. Couldn't care less about things like slam panels which personally I'd remove anyway for better air supply. The increase in torque sounds good though, just have to see how this transpires in the real world.
Looking forward to seeing the end results
Its probably best that you wait until you get your car serviced at GDI for that.
I know jon, but with all developments its exciting to go through the process and test results.
And because most of the people with clios have aircon, and i for one would want to keep it, we are trying to accomodate for that function.......but there are more problems that you could imagine for a long term fit and forget item. Fatigue and NHV plays a big part.
And because most of the people with clios have aircon, and i for one would want to keep it, we are trying to accomodate for that function.......but there are more problems that you could imagine for a long term fit and forget item. Fatigue and NHV plays a big part.
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Anything that give us, the cliosport consumer more tuning choice cant be a bad thing imo because theres not a huge number of options available. Well done for someone actually doing some real development for these cars instead of rah rah Ive made a new decat pipe thats better than so an so's decat pipe rah rah.
Most people willing to spend ITB money are in it for the power and that alone, if your willing to drive around in a fibreglass seat with no interior tons of rattles and noise then who would give a toss about the aircon coming out... they would probably say "yes please sir, loose me 20kgs, if Im hot I'll open a window". I know I would!
Most people willing to spend ITB money are in it for the power and that alone, if your willing to drive around in a fibreglass seat with no interior tons of rattles and noise then who would give a toss about the aircon coming out... they would probably say "yes please sir, loose me 20kgs, if Im hot I'll open a window". I know I would!
Let's try and show a bit of maturity here if you can Mark, we were having an adult discussion until you started bleeting.
Ben, surely then a worthwhile addition and idea would be to also redesign the alternator to accomodate people that want to keep their aircon, as not everyone that wants a quick Clio wants to remove all the interior and drive around in just their underpants in order to save weight. Personally I couldn't care less about weight, it weighs what it weighs and I put stuff and people in the back sometimes. If I could, I'd rather have aircon, but if it means going to smaller trumpets and having a setup that makes no more power than the big single TB then it's something I'll happily live without. My Williams didn't have aircon and I didn't really miss it...
Ben, surely then a worthwhile addition and idea would be to also redesign the alternator to accomodate people that want to keep their aircon, as not everyone that wants a quick Clio wants to remove all the interior and drive around in just their underpants in order to save weight. Personally I couldn't care less about weight, it weighs what it weighs and I put stuff and people in the back sometimes. If I could, I'd rather have aircon, but if it means going to smaller trumpets and having a setup that makes no more power than the big single TB then it's something I'll happily live without. My Williams didn't have aircon and I didn't really miss it...
Oh, I thought you had just been taking the piss out of how long it was taking for the majority of the thread.
you'll be asking Santa at this rate
this guy was the first one to be done...
A bit of GDI promotion also included
more adult discussion
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Now thats funny :rasp:
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Now thats funny :rasp:
I'm trying to accomodate for the market, i dont think people would pay for an airconditioned car then simply just junk it, if the option is there then its just another available choice for people. Keeping aircon will be significantly more expensive though as its no small task.
Redesigning the bracketry is something we are still going through, the main problem is known fatigue and NHV that they will encounter in daily driving and hours sat on the motorway. Renault made them beefy as hell for a reason, the aux system is large and most items are held a massive distance from the engine/crank pulley with an aux tensioner that is superbly tight. This leads to alot of forces on the brackets to hold it all together as the alt load and aircon load kicks in and out. We could make something that made space easy, but could not ensure that it would last the test of time.
Gaz_
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MINT!!!
I for one, would love a plug and play ITB kit. Always wanted one for my cup, but didn't like the idea of it being all generic (at the mo) A plug and play kit with everything supplied is just what we (clio owners) need I'd be selling my current 182, and buy another cup for ease of instillation. :evil:
Fan fooking tastic :approve: :approve:
I for one, would love a plug and play ITB kit. Always wanted one for my cup, but didn't like the idea of it being all generic (at the mo) A plug and play kit with everything supplied is just what we (clio owners) need
I'd be selling my current 182, and buy another cup for ease of instillation. :evil: Fan fooking tastic :approve: :approve:
ChrisR
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Some of the backbiting is getting a little close to the mark now guys. Please calm down with the negative remarks now, we get the idea.
Yay
I remember looking at these on the VAG engines years ago thinking it was a cool idea.
If it can retain the aircon and be cheaper than a non dth itb setup that's currently offered for the Clios then it should do well.
I must admit it wasn't what I was expecting, for some reason I had it in my head it was going to be some new radically designed inlet plenum/system but retaining a single tb.
Yay
I remember looking at these on the VAG engines years ago thinking it was a cool idea.
If it can retain the aircon and be cheaper than a non dth itb setup that's currently offered for the Clios then it should do well.
I must admit it wasn't what I was expecting, for some reason I had it in my head it was going to be some new radically designed inlet plenum/system but retaining a single tb.
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