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MarkCup's BMW M140i



MarkCup

ClioSport Club Member
A neighbour took me out in his 140i a few months back. Auto.

It just felt relentless in terms of acceleration.

I timed my car to 100 and with a pretty good launch managed 10.3 seconds.

I filmed/timed two ZF8s the other day, one did 9.5s, the other 9.2s.

That's a mental difference. I was expecting maybe 0.5, mine is not a slow car. Watching the speedo footage of them all side by side is painful, it looks like there's something wrong with mine!

There isn't, the ZF8 is just a masterpiece. The shorter ratios make as much difference as the faster shift speed does.
 

Waitey

ClioSport Club Member
  Alpina D3, AC Cobra
I timed my car to 100 and with a pretty good launch managed 10.3 seconds.

I filmed/timed two ZF8s the other day, one did 9.5s, the other 9.2s.

That's a mental difference. I was expecting maybe 0.5, mine is not a slow car. Watching the speedo footage of them all side by side is painful, it looks like there's something wrong with mine!

There isn't, the ZF8 is just a masterpiece. The shorter ratios make as much difference as the faster shift speed does.
Yeah the ZF8 can get the best out of anything.

My Alpina (pre issues) did a solid 9.83 to 100 and 4.18 to 60. Which for a 2wd Diesel estate car with 200k miles on it is mental!
 
  Clio 197,with megan'
I am in the Small car, lightweight, big engine camp. Never owned a BMW, but look to be well built, quality machines. Mine is around 1200kg, running 320/340, what do some of these BMW weigh out of interest?.
 
  BMW M4; S1000 RR
Yeah the ZF8 can get the best out of anything.

My Alpina (pre issues) did a solid 9.83 to 100 and 4.18 to 60. Which for a 2wd Diesel estate car with 200k miles on it is mental!

That 0-60 is mad.

Best dragy 0-62 I’ve got in my manual M4 is 4.7. Best 0-100 is 9.1 but the ZF8 will get those times every time and I will not...
 

Waitey

ClioSport Club Member
  Alpina D3, AC Cobra
That 0-60 is mad.

Best dragy 0-62 I’ve got in my manual M4 is 4.7. Best 0-100 is 9.1 but the ZF8 will get those times every time and I will not...
I think 500 odd lb/ft at like 1500rpm helps there!

Video from Facebook today of a D4 doing 300kph!

 
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MarkCup

ClioSport Club Member
I am in the Small car, lightweight, big engine camp. Never owned a BMW, but look to be well built, quality machines. Mine is around 1200kg, running 320/340, what do some of these BMW weigh out of interest?.

They're 1,400+ kgs - I've never been able to nail down the exact weight, I think it's 1,435 or something.
 

497adam

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 phase 2
How does Dragy work? Is simply a gps app?


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RDH

ClioSport Club Member
I’ve had the use of my mates 140 for a couple of days last week before it went back.

Epic machine and the want is even stronger. The pull from any speed is rediculous. Absolutely no reason to need anything faster on the road.

His was the auto. And on my 70 mile round commute showed 42mpg for both days. That was with cruise set at 70. Insane for the performance. One thing i would say is I would get the auto box mapped. An ever so slight delay in paddle input to gear change which would grate on me.

He’s just swapped it for a 335d which has been mapped to a supposed 400bhp. Had a 0-100 blast and would say the 335 was slightly quicker but gets a better launch due to xdrive.
 

Crazylegs

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182
On a side note, I did Anglesey Circuit last year in my DC5. There was a stripped out M135i and it was savage, it tore past me on the straights at probably speeds of upwards of 120, it looked agile too and extremely good on its brakes which I was surprised about.

I think these modern cars are in another league, I've test driven an FK8 which got the power down amazingly well and I've also been a passenger in a Golf Clubsport S which again was brutal, I was by shocked how quick these cars are nowadays.

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MarkCup

ClioSport Club Member
On a side note, I did Anglesey Circuit last year in my DC5. There was a stripped out M135i and it was savage, it tore past me on the straights at probably speeds of upwards of 120, it looked agile too and extremely good on its brakes which I was surprised about.

I think these modern cars are in another league, I've test driven an FK8 which got the power down amazingly well and I've also been a passenger in a Golf Clubsport S which again was brutal, I was by shocked how quick these cars are nowadays.

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I bet he'd either spent a ton of cash on sorting the suspension out or, it was a matter of fingers crossed and hoping for the best as he entered every turn.

They're good, very good, but not without the inbuilt flaws you get from giving a 116d 350bhp.

But, yeah, as standard the straightline performance is savage. With a £5k mods budget you'd end up with something that could keep up with just about anything.
 

Cookson

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk1 Audi TT 3.2 V6
There's not much of 2nd or 3rd in those auto boxes when on the boil is there, jeeeez ha ha
 

-Jamie-

ClioSport Club Member
On a side note, I did Anglesey Circuit last year in my DC5. There was a stripped out M135i and it was savage, it tore past me on the straights at probably speeds of upwards of 120, it looked agile too and extremely good on its brakes which I was surprised about.

I think these modern cars are in another league, I've test driven an FK8 which got the power down amazingly well and I've also been a passenger in a Golf Clubsport S which again was brutal, I was by shocked how quick these cars are nowadays.

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Orange one by chance?
 

-Jamie-

ClioSport Club Member
Can't quite remember I'm afraid, think it may have been Grey.

It was rapid though whatever colour it was!
Fair, a guy I track with up here has a stripped orange one with about 440hp and was Anglesey last year, Had a rear cage done recently as well, It's f**king rapid!


Contrary to what @MarkCup thinks as well its not had a huge amount of suspension stuff done, The usual stuff you'd do to any other car really plus a diff, A good geo setup makes a huge difference
 
  BMW M4; S1000 RR
Fair, a guy I track with up here has a stripped orange one with about 440hp and was Anglesey last year, Had a rear cage done recently as well, It's f**king rapid!


Contrary to what @MarkCup thinks as well its not had a huge amount of suspension stuff done, The usual stuff you'd do to any other car really plus a diff, A good geo setup makes a huge difference

I'm sure Mark would probably admit he was going for dramatic effect with his opening line haha. He is very much not a "fire it into a corner and hope for the best" kind of guy!!

And with all these capable cars, you can buy a lot of corner speed with tyres before you need to touch suspension. Put some slicks on an otherwise standard M135i with the right driver and I bet it would drop almost anything at a track day.
 

AdDaMan

ClioSport Club Member
@MarkCup Did you really just do a complete video about timings by using the speedos?!! Please tell me i'm imagining that and you were actually using a Dragy/VBOX etc?
 

MarkCup

ClioSport Club Member
The purpose of the video was to compare auto v manual, to find out if they're close, or if a country mile separates them.

My methods were more than accurate enough for that, I don't think my conclusion, about a 1 second apart in cars that do 0-100 in about 10 seconds, is flawed in any way.

If I wanted to measure the absolute differences down to 0.01 of a second, sure, what I did was pointless. But I didn't. So it wasn't. I don't think.

Even if I had a Dragy/GPS thing, I'd need cars the same spec, same no. of doors, same fuel, same load, same driver, same tyres, same mileage, same diff, to be truly accurate and that's never going to happen.

Thanks for the offer though 😁👍
 

AdDaMan

ClioSport Club Member
The purpose of the video was to compare auto v manual, to find out if they're close, or if a country mile separates them.

My methods were more than accurate enough for that, I don't think my conclusion, about a 1 second apart in cars that do 0-100 in about 10 seconds, is flawed in any way.

If I wanted to measure the absolute differences down to 0.01 of a second, sure, what I did was pointless. But I didn't. So it wasn't. I don't think.

Even if I had a Dragy/GPS thing, I'd need cars the same spec, same no. of doors, same fuel, same load, same driver, same tyres, same mileage, same diff, to be truly accurate and that's never going to happen.

Thanks for the offer though [emoji16][emoji106]

My point is that speedos are not accurate. They all vary. And so does the point at which you think it hits 100.


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MarkCup

ClioSport Club Member
My point is that speedos are not accurate. They all vary. And so does the point at which you think it hits 100.


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Agreed, completely, which is why I stated very clearly in the video that those margins of error would apply.

Even the fact I'm using 25fps means I'm potentially up to 0.08s out if I judge the start and end wrong by just one frame each at each end.

It wasn't meant to be scientifically accurate.
 
Gears too long for a car that makes peak torque at like 2500rpm??

I get it has a wide power band but 100+ in 3rd and 130+ in 4th just seems far to long for a hot/hyper hatch. For me a fast hatch should have a slick, short ratio box that you can bang up and down the gears making use of heel and toe, longer gears just takes all the fun out of it for me. Looks more geared to the autobahn than UK roads.
 

BoatNonce

ClioSport Club Member
It’s actually quite nice to go from corner to corner without having to change gears constantly. And if you’ve got the torque to catapult you to the next corner, why not?
 
It’s actually quite nice to go from corner to corner without having to change gears constantly. And if you’ve got the torque to catapult you to the next corner, why not?

Then surly the auto makes more sense. For me, if using a manual box I like to engage with it. That why I have a ZF8 for a daily and short ratio 6MT for fun.
 
  BMW M4; S1000 RR
Then surly the auto makes more sense. For me, if using a manual box I like to engage with it. That why I have a ZF8 for a daily and short ratio 6MT for fun.

Sort of mate.

I suspect Mark would be better placed to comment as it's his car, but when I had a go in it the gears felt absolutely fine.

It has the same ratios (as far as I can tell) as my M4, which is 70 in 2nd, nearly 110 in 3rd (M4 has a higher rev limit) and something daft like 140 in 4th.

Would it be more fun with shorter ratios? Actually I think it would ruin it, it's not a zingy engine that you have to keep in a sweet spot to be fast, it's f**king rampant and you can't go flat in 2nd out of a corner (with road tyres at least) as it'll light the rears.
 


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