First Car Project - Clio 172 PH1

[Brigsy]

Disconnect the battery if not using it

 

[Jakeeaton127]

Batteries dead, that’s what was causing it to have an electrical meltdown. However, the box is ruined. 1st and 2nd are now fine, reverse is completely gone makes a horrible noise and doesn’t spin the wheels. Definitely going to need to take it out.

It may be a job for a specialist i’m nowhere near equipped to take out a box and rebuild it.

 

[TheBandit]

Just to confirm, you have disconnect the gear linkage and tried to get it into reverse directly on the gearbox selector?

 

[Jakeeaton127]

Just to confirm, you have disconnect the gear linkage and tried to get it into reverse directly on the gearbox selector?

Yep, it’s done nothing at all however i’ve just dropped the box oil and it’s not paint matched to the car so i don’t know what the issue is.

 

[Jakeeaton127]

That’s what the end cap looks like inside, seems to be not too bad but it’s got a bit of shine

 

[TheBandit]

It may be a job for a specialist i’m nowhere near equipped to take out a box and rebuild it.

@NorthloopCup ?

 

[Jakeeaton127]

I’m not sure what’s up with it personally, i reckon the selector forks snapped or something along them lines.

My issue is, i’ll get paid at then end of the month so even if i take the box out myself. i won’t have the money to rebuild it. However, it needs to be on the road by the end of the month so im in a bit of a predicament

 

[NorthloopCup]

If you get the box out, I’ll open it up and see what’s going on mate. At least that way you’ll know if you’re looking for a replacement box.

 

[Jakeeaton127]

If you get the box out, I’ll open it up and see what’s going on mate. At least that way you’ll know if you’re looking for a replacement box.

that’s what i’m thinking to doing. Just out of curiosity, how much would that cost and where abouts are you based?

 

[NorthloopCup]

that’s what i’m thinking to doing. Just out of curiosity, how much would that cost and where abouts are you based?

Drop me a pm mate and we can discuss it

 

[Struggler]

You've really been thrown in the deep end with this car haven't you! Feel for you mate but you'll be a much more knowledgeable enthusiast at the end if you stick with it!

 

[Jakeeaton127]

You've really been thrown in the deep end with this car haven't you! Feel for you mate but you'll be a much more knowledgeable enthusiast at the end if you stick with it!

It’s definitely been fighting me a lot, seems to be everything i look at seems to highlight even more issues with it. I am quite worried to see what pulling the box will reveal. It’s already revealed that someone’s been messing with it before as the mount bolts were loose. Same as the mount bolts when i was doing the belts.

I have been so tempted to give up and get rid of it so many times but i can’t bring myself to do it. I’m as lucky as im unlucky with this car. I’ve lost all patience for it, it’s a pain working on it at this point. Hopefully, i can get it on the road without much more going wrong. i doubt that but we can hope.

 

[Clart]

What dodgy seller did you buy it off ?

 

[James]

What dodgy seller did you buy it off ?

Don't, I feel guilty enough as it is

I never undid any mount bolts though, so no idea why they were loose

 

[Struggler]

It’s definitely been fighting me a lot, seems to be everything i look at seems to highlight even more issues with it. I am quite worried to see what pulling the box will reveal. It’s already revealed that someone’s been messing with it before as the mount bolts were loose. Same as the mount bolts when i was doing the belts.

I have been so tempted to give up and get rid of it so many times but i can’t bring myself to do it. I’m as lucky as im unlucky with this car. I’ve lost all patience for it, it’s a pain working on it at this point. Hopefully, i can get it on the road without much more going wrong. i doubt that but we can hope.

If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure my box is going to pop as soon as I get out on track, it's the only thing I've not rebuilt at this point.

Someone is selling jc5-129 with LSDs on here

If you do as much of the work yourself you'll at least be left with something close to perfect without too big a bill when you're done! And they hold their value well these ph1s! Stick with it, you'll learn so much in the process.

 

[Jakeeaton127]

Don't, I feel guilty enough as it is

I never undid any mount bolts though, so no idea why they were loose

Nothing to be guilty about at all, not your fault that it’s a 26 year old Renault that’s been sat for so long and not had most bits replaced.

Anyways, even though it’s taken all my money, time and energy but still requires even more to get it through an MOT. It will see the road again, and will be used. I’ve got a show booked for October which it will attend and if there’s a Clio Sport show next year, i’ll definitely be attending with it.

As for the mounts, i’m not sure, i may try and find with some of the people on the invoices to see what else has been done to it. I’ve already spoke to one on Facebook. It’s obviously had more work in the past than i thought.

 

[dann2707]

More issues, with the Clio. Alarm keeps going off at half 9 this morning. i think the batteries gone flat and has now decided to constantly keep the alarm going. I’m thinking off throwing another battery on it and seeing how it goes.

As for the linkages, i’m currently trying that but i obviously can’t try it without the engine running. Even more proof this car has a curse against it.

Sorry if I'm being stupid, but why can't you manually stick it in gear on the box end. And start the car up and see if it's making that noise?

 

[Jakeeaton127]

If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure my box is going to pop as soon as I get out on track, it's the only thing I've not rebuilt at this point.

Someone is selling jc5-129 with LSDs on here

If you do as much of the work yourself you'll at least be left with something close to perfect without too big a bill when you're done! And they hold their value well these ph1s! Stick with it, you'll learn so much in the process.

It’ll stick with it no matter what, i can’t sell it mainly as it’s in bits but also as i’ve never driven it. I have also said, i’ll never sell my first car, one of the reasons i bought it as i’ve wanted one for ages so it won’t be leaving anytime soon

It’s already taught me a lot, mainly that i prefer it to any of the new cars i work on everyday at my apprenticeship and that im lucky to own it. I strangely know a lot about these now, so there’s not much more i can’t do myself.

 

[Jakeeaton127]

Sorry if I'm being stupid, but why can't you manually stick it in gear on the box end. And start the car up and see if it's making that noise?

I haven’t tried it but as there’s no drive in reverse i reckon the issue is deep within the box.

 

[dann2707]

I haven’t tried it but as there’s no drive in reverse i reckon the issue is deep within the box.

But that's my point going back to my post the other day. If it's linkage related and it's not in gear properly unless since we last spoke you've tried it?

It's very easy to condemn something but sometimes you have to explore absolutely every avenue first.

What I'm alluding to is if your linkage is not correct, you won't get a proper gear at all as it won't select one at the box end. So you could quite easily say the box is bad because you haven't got the whole truth of it.

If you manually click the box into gear at the box end, with linkage disconnected - that will reveal all.

 

[Jakeeaton127]

But that's my point going back to my post the other day. If it's linkage related and it's not in gear properly unless since we last spoke you've tried it?

It's very easy to condemn something but sometimes you have to explore absolutely every avenue first.

What I'm alluding to is if your linkage is not correct, you won't get a proper gear at all as it won't select one at the box end. So you could quite easily say the box is bad because you haven't got the whole truth of it.

If you manually click the box into gear at the box end, with linkage disconnected - that will reveal all.

Yeah, i get what your saying but i’ve had the shifter realigned and it’s basically perfect inside the car and it’s fixed the issue with the forward gears so i think that if it’s fixed them it should have fixed reverse too.

Having said that, the linkage could still be to fault but im swaying more towards the box issue. Anyways, I’ll end up replacing the linkage when the box comes out just to rule out everything at once. May do a clutch too, depending on bank balance

 

[dann2707]

Yeah, i get what your saying but i’ve had the shifter realigned and it’s basically perfect inside the car and it’s fixed the issue with the forward gears so i think that if it’s fixed them it should have fixed reverse too.

Having said that, the linkage could still be to fault but im swaying more towards the box issue. Anyways, I’ll end up replacing the linkage when the box comes out just to rule out everything at once. May do a clutch too, depending on bank balance

Ahhhh fair enough mate sorry I must have missed that where you said about the forward gears, that changes things then!

 

[James]

Be weird for the box to be bad, unless it's not the original 56k mile box?

Or them sitting for 8 years ruins the boxes aswell

 

[Louis]

Im so confused.

So have you tried manually selecting each and every gear with the linkage completely detached from the box?

Shifters are notoriously difficult to align, being out half a mm can render a gear selection unusable, regardless of all other gears going in.

Ask me how I know.

 

[dann2707]

Im so confused.

So have you tried manually selecting each and every gear with the linkage completely detached from the box?

Shifters are notoriously difficult to align, being out half a mm can render a gear selection unusable, regardless of all other gears going in.

Ask me how I know.

I am putting it down to this tbh.

Stick it manually into reverse on the box end, drop the car down and see if it moves.

 

[Sj1782]

 

[Jakeeaton127]

Be weird for the box to be bad, unless it's not the original 56k mile box?

Or them sitting for 8 years ruins the boxes aswell

possibly it’s definitely had the box out before 100%, probably had a clutch but i’m not sure. there’s 0 paper work prior to 2018.

It’s not liked being sat for 8 years judging by the rest of the car but i’d be surprised if that’s killed the box.

 

[Jakeeaton127]

Im so confused.

So have you tried manually selecting each and every gear with the linkage completely detached from the box?

Shifters are notoriously difficult to align, being out half a mm can render a gear selection unusable, regardless of all other gears going in.

Ask me how I know.

I should have tried it but it’s now in many bits as i suspected the box. Both me and my mechanic mate think it’s some kind box issue.

Possibly it’s still within the linkage but it doesn’t sound like a grinding noise, more off something inside the box smacking into everything else. it’s not consistent either, it make the noise then stops then comes back. sometimes does it when on clutch and sometimes not. Sometimes it only does it in reverse sometimes it makes the noise you go into neutral from reverse. I have a feeling it could be the roll pin within the reverse selector fork that’s snapped.

 

[Bowz]

Whenever I see a new post in this thread.

Agree with others, linkages are a right PITA to align.