will Mk1RS's throttle box fit on Clio 1.6 16V

[en035]

will Mk1RS's throttle box fit on Clio 1.6 16V?

As stated will it be a direct fit? Will the 1.6 16V's ECU handle that

Many thanks

 

[edde]

Not a direct fitment.

What 1.6 are you on about the one with the cable or electronic throttle body?

 

[en035]

Not a direct fitment.

What 1.6 are you on about the one with the cable or electronic throttle body?

hi,

both cable one's,

I have a spare Clio RS cable throttle body and my friend wants to fit it onto his Clio 1.6 16V (K4M).

Thanks

 

[mini-valver]

I wanted to do this, you need the ECU, throttle pedal, throttle bodie, plastic inlet plenum and accelarator cable IIRC. Still want to do it but was wondering if it will work if i get all these things, dont want to do it and it not work because ill be right up s**t creek....

 

[en035]

I wanted to do this, you need the ECU, throttle pedal, throttle bodie, plastic inlet plenum and accelarator cable IIRC. Still want to do it but was wondering if it will work if i get all these things, dont want to do it and it not work because ill be right up s**t creek....

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Is ECU needed? I think same sort of potentiometer is used on both, why do I need ECU

 

[mini-valver]

Rsi uses throttle cable so no need for a potentionmter on the pedal. Correct me if im wrong but potentionmeters are used to transmit movement into voltage (something like that) hence not using a cable. A cable operated throttle uses a direct link between pedal and throttle bodie so no need for a potentionmeter.

You need the ECU because the potentionmeter sends signals all over the show and is largely dependant on the lambda sensors to let the butterfly open just enough to keep the mixture right ie when you floor it with a potentionmeter the butterfly only opens gradually not straight open as with a cable, thats what gives the delay and lack of response.

 

[edde]

I wanted to do this, you need the ECU, throttle pedal, throttle bodie, plastic inlet plenum and accelarator cable IIRC. Still want to do it but was wondering if it will work if i get all these things, dont want to do it and it not work because ill be right up s**t creek....

Nope make an adapter plate up for the throttle body but since your car runs an electric throttle body you'd have to (for simplicity sake) run a stand alone ECU. The Phase 1's use a cable throttle body the ECU on them adjust the throttle body.

The other option on your car is to get a phase 1 looms an use that. A lot of effort might as well change the engine at the same time realy for a phase 1 172

Rsi uses throttle cable so no need for a potentionmter on the pedal. Correct me if im wrong but potentionmeters are used to transmit movement into voltage (something like that) hence not using a cable. A cable operated throttle uses a direct link between pedal and throttle bodie so no need for a potentionmeter.

You need the ECU because the potentionmeter sends signals all over the show and is largely dependant on the lambda sensors to let the butterfly open just enough to keep the mixture right ie when you floor it with a potentionmeter the butterfly only opens gradually not straight open as with a cable, thats what gives the delay and lack of response.

The ECU on cars with cable throttle bodies know where the throttle body is position via a throttle position sensor if the ECU don't know where it is your in a problem and just giving it a feed of where the throttle is isn't the ffix a proper remapped might be able to fix it and program your ECU as if it were a phase 1 car with a rewiring of the ECU (most electric throttle body ecu are wired differently than cable ones)

 

[mini-valver]

So basically i need the loom, ecu,pedal and throttle body to make it work straight away but could get away with having a remap on my current ECU?
if i did get ecu loom etc would it work straight away or am i going to have to cut into looms to make them match ie not plug and play??

Also, theres a 1.8 16v laguna engine at my local scrappy could i use the throttle bodie from that and gain any power or is it the same size? juat wondering what the compatibilty is of the k4m variant of engines are...

 

[edde]

So basically i need the loom, ecu,pedal and throttle body to make it work straight away but could get away with having a remap on my current ECU?
if i did get ecu loom etc would it work straight away or am i going to have to cut into looms to make them match ie not plug and play??

Also, theres a 1.8 16v laguna engine at my local scrappy could i use the throttle bodie from that and gain any power or is it the same size? juat wondering what the compatibilty is of the k4m variant of engines are...

Forget it honestly you won't get any gains beyond having a more reponsive throttle and for the effort get a phase 1.

You'd have to take with the remapped see if they can make your ECU work with a cable thottoel body decient good places might be able to.

No point with bigger T/B's though the intake manifld the weekness BenR can modify it but gains arn't huge realy.

 

[mini-valver]

He was 'supposed' to be doing it in december. PM'd and mailed him but nothing! Anyone else that can do it as good as him?? With inlet work would a larger TB stil be pointless? Is there anything i can do with the shitty plastic plenum??
cheers

 

[edde]

He was 'supposed' to be doing it in december. PM'd and mailed him but nothing! Anyone else that can do it as good as him?? With inlet work would a larger TB stil be pointless? Is there anything i can do with the s**tty plastic plenum??
cheers

Stan* would at APD but personaly I'd try bBn again I know he's having trouble after moving premises so hes got a load of backloged manifold reworks and his new manifold to sort bue he is good.

 

[mini-valver]

Alrite, give him a ring in the week sometime see what happens! Cheers for the help

 

[en035]

edde for my case both 1.6 and 172 have cable throttles, so once the adapter plate is done I would not see any problems, is it right?

Can the ECU on 1.6 still read the position data from the 172's throttle box?

Nope make an adapter plate up for the throttle body but since your car runs an electric throttle body you'd have to (for simplicity sake) run a stand alone ECU. The Phase 1's use a cable throttle body the ECU on them adjust the throttle body.

The other option on your car is to get a phase 1 looms an use that. A lot of effort might as well change the engine at the same time realy for a phase 1 172

Rsi uses throttle cable so no need for a potentionmter on the pedal. Correct me if im wrong but potentionmeters are used to transmit movement into voltage (something like that) hence not using a cable. A cable operated throttle uses a direct link between pedal and throttle bodie so no need for a potentionmeter.

You need the ECU because the potentionmeter sends signals all over the show and is largely dependant on the lambda sensors to let the butterfly open just enough to keep the mixture right ie when you floor it with a potentionmeter the butterfly only opens gradually not straight open as with a cable, thats what gives the delay and lack of response.

The ECU on cars with cable throttle bodies know where the throttle body is position via a throttle position sensor if the ECU don't know where it is your in a problem and just giving it a feed of where the throttle is isn't the ffix a proper remapped might be able to fix it and program your ECU as if it were a phase 1 car with a rewiring of the ECU (most electric throttle body ecu are wired differently than cable ones)

 

[edde]

edde for my case both 1.6 and 172 have cable throttles, so once the adapter plate is done I would not see any problems, is it right?

Can the ECU on 1.6 still read the position data from the 172's throttle box?

No one realy tried I wouldn't bother you'll get no gains. ALso you'll have trouble that the throttle body will have trouble stabilising an idle with that throttle body as its not expecting such a large airflow when almost closed.

 

[Oliver_K4M]

If you mean with "cable" a mechanical throttle why don´t you simply use the the throttle of the "normal" F4R or the F4P engine?
I installed the throttle of the F4R-780 engine, this fits plug`n`play and the diameter is about 10mm bigger than of the 1.6 16V.
I did this conversion on my engine already some years ago.

 

[en035]

thanks for the answer but the other has been successfully done as well. Only the inlet manifold inlet needed a little bit of mod then it is working now.