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Engine Dynamics Cams
- Thread starter Meek_racing
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OK Got my car back today, well impressed with both andy at ED and the cam package in general, it drives pretty much as normal as soon as you get it up to about 2k revs, After 3k you can feel theres more there and it keeps pulling all the way to the limiter harder than before (limiter set at 7.5k). On low revs their does seem to be a bit of a kangaroo effect at about 1.5k but only when your off throttle and coming down the rev range, it sort of lurches forward slightly.
Andy had a misfire on my car when he took it out yesterday, spent an extra couple of hours last night doing compression checks etc, but all fine, he put it down to my cheap sparkplugs(Bosch super 4 fitted by an independant on last service) and or leads as the resistance in my "8mm performance leads" was higher than standard oe items!, So he lent me spark plugs and leads for my way home just have to post them back. Also due to my decat not arriving in time, he said that he can do a map for me with a decat free of charge and email me it which was bloody well nice of him i thought! (extra labour for compression checks and loan of items all free too!)
So overall Andy fantastic guy great customer service, kept me informed all the way etc. And cams seem great too i was expecting them to be rougher than this low down but as i said well impressed and happy! Although idle jumps around a lil more than before!
Andy had a misfire on my car when he took it out yesterday, spent an extra couple of hours last night doing compression checks etc, but all fine, he put it down to my cheap sparkplugs(Bosch super 4 fitted by an independant on last service) and or leads as the resistance in my "8mm performance leads" was higher than standard oe items!, So he lent me spark plugs and leads for my way home just have to post them back. Also due to my decat not arriving in time, he said that he can do a map for me with a decat free of charge and email me it which was bloody well nice of him i thought! (extra labour for compression checks and loan of items all free too!)
So overall Andy fantastic guy great customer service, kept me informed all the way etc. And cams seem great too i was expecting them to be rougher than this low down but as i said well impressed and happy! Although idle jumps around a lil more than before!
Seems like a good experience with these guys seeing as there previous name/owners got slated on here badly. Did you say the idle was quite lumpy, get some vids up.
Your review pretty much matches mine, same findings jjones82 cam wise and customer experience =) At the begining all were giving crap comments on this cams without trying or knowing someone who had, but as time goes they should prove ok.
I know what you mean maupineda, i put off getting these cos of all the crap comments, as i was originally going to get them about 9 months ago, but was put off by everyone, it was only your review that sealed the deal for me, and i'm glad it did as i am well happy! Have you got your short shift linkage yet?
is rev2 still called EDCAM-001, or something else? I'm just wondering what Engine Developments are selling at the moment
reply from ED:
Hi Andrew,
All Clio RS cams supplied as of May this year are the new revision.
Best Regards,
Andy
Engine Dynamics
Unit 6 Allshots Enterprises
Woodhouse Lane
Kelvedon
Essex
CO5 9DF
Tel: 0845 8340030
Fax: 0845 8340031
Email: sales@engine-dynamics.com
Web: www.engine-dynamics.com
We got my mate's 172 fitted with these cams a month ago with the forged pistons 13:3:1 and Wimmer's map. The car's character has changed lol. However after around 500 miles, one of the piston rods hit the piston head and made a hole in it.
We gave the cams to another friend of ours temporarily to see if the reason was cam or not. After the cams were fitted to his 172, we started the engine to start the tests and could only go 10km
The same piston rod did the same thing in this 172 as well. This was a bit annoying
However, then we figured out what the problem was. It was not the cams but the pulley. The pulley in the first 172 was broken and we did not want to change it. Because of the wrong timing I guess it did so. Then we put the same pulley with the cams to the other 172 and he had exactly the same problem like us.
So end of the day, new pulley has arrived. New piston set has arrived with 13:3:1. New rods and ARP bolts will arrive soon. We completely emptied the car. There will be only 2 sports seats and nothing else. We will kick some Honda TypeR K20As' :rasp:
Please check your pulleys before you fit any cams.
Thank you Andy for great products and very fast shipping! Took only 3 days max to get the pieces to Turkey :star:
We gave the cams to another friend of ours temporarily to see if the reason was cam or not. After the cams were fitted to his 172, we started the engine to start the tests and could only go 10km
The same piston rod did the same thing in this 172 as well. This was a bit annoying However, then we figured out what the problem was. It was not the cams but the pulley. The pulley in the first 172 was broken and we did not want to change it. Because of the wrong timing I guess it did so. Then we put the same pulley with the cams to the other 172 and he had exactly the same problem like us.
So end of the day, new pulley has arrived. New piston set has arrived with 13:3:1. New rods and ARP bolts will arrive soon. We completely emptied the car. There will be only 2 sports seats and nothing else. We will kick some Honda TypeR K20As' :rasp:
Please check your pulleys before you fit any cams.
Thank you Andy for great products and very fast shipping! Took only 3 days max to get the pieces to Turkey :star:
Thank you Andy for the package sent to a very quick,
Thank you for your interest in btaser,
Thank you for your interest in btaser,
You might be happy with them and thats the main thing but are they anywhere near 206 bhp....?
^^ In a simple answer... They make the car feel like a proper 190 - 200 light car. I live in a city that is 2400 meters above sea level, and at this hight I can still play fun with stock VAG cars such as FR, GTI, Audi 2.0T, which are way heavier but less so affected by altitude, and it feels like a 160 hp car at this height, so I am very confident that at sea level they should feel almost brutal.
And Franx from holland with C&B cams (which have the exact same profile as ED cams) got 174hp at the wheels with say 15% transmission loss thats over 200hp too. And i think Fred was trialing some cams from france at one point that were meant to produce over 200hp too??
His graph dosent make sense. Stock 172's make more torque than his graph makes modded. Altitude might make a difference but still the bhp and torque would match up ?
iirc another suspect torque to bhp graph. Remember, rolling roads are not gospal. I got 167 @ the wheels which is roughly 197 @ the fly measured on one set of rollers then a few months later on another set got 182 @ the fly! Huge difference.
Cams dont get you 200. Wish they did but 190 is the best you can hope for.
yeah they only made low 190's, no chance are you getting over 200bhp on a stock type inlet with cams, not possible
ITB'd MK1
it's just possible (and i do mean JUST) with 421s IMO, but it wont idle well at all on FBW unless you have some faster control of it than the stock ecu, and that pushes the cost towards ITB levels. tricky choice
So what cat cams did you have fitted andyman? 428's? Were you happy with them? As for 750 mapped and fitted i cant complain about the ED cams? I know what you mean about the RR not necassarily beeing accurate. The only sort of reputable rollers around me is powerstation which is known for reading high, i keep meaning to get mine done but its finding the time, something allways crops up! but i'm happy with mine especially after getting my exhaut/ decat sorted, it drives nigh on standard low down now no kangarooing or anything low down from the overlap.
Originally i had Piper regrinds and now im running 428's. The Pipers worked better with my set up, better quarter mile times and just feel more peaky, better acceleration but the 428's drive a lot smoother, nice smooth idle and good in town traffic.
If your not fussed about lumpy idle the Pipers are cracking value for money
If your not fussed about lumpy idle the Pipers are cracking value for money
Evo 5 RS
428s for standard management, 421s if you're serious. 428s drive smoother because they're mild as fook
ITB'd MK1
this is the truth tbh. 428s have a standard exhaust cam
ITB'd MK1
new billet part. I wont bother with 428s at all tbh
Not effected at all, infact, breathing mods make it better if anything
Funny thing is, if you advance the inlet cam a couple of degrees on the 428's (timed wrong to their markings) they acutally give more power. Trade off is the rough idle
Mate, you got these side effects corrected with the decat/exhaust? I have a friend with the same mods as I do (we bought cams at the same times from Andy) and he has had the car decatted ever since, and his car is way smoother, even the tick over is quite nice and does not kangoroo at all. I am thinking of decatting mine along with my 182 mani (waiting to have it fitted).
Your so, SO , totaly, correct. First thing i notice when i crank the engine with the new managment!
Yeah mate when i first had them done it was quite lumpy on tickover and kangarooing a bit off throttle at about 1.5k revs but since decatting and getting a freer flowing exhuast its much smoother, like i said it drives prettty much standard, as the kangarooing was doing my head in in city rush hour traffic!
standard-ish exhaust cam
ITB'd MK1
well, same as 420s which are group N, so "standard"
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