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The 'I work in I.T' thread



boultonn

ClioSport Club Member
  Macan S
Sandboxing then?
Yeah, but very much from the playground perspective rather than security focused.
Plus being able to spin up a new service with a few lines of bash rather than running an installer, which may have a ton of dependencies that get installed, but aren’t removed if you uninstall the app.
Plus you can have a bunch of web servers which all think they’re running on port 80 but you can easily map them to other ports to avoid conflict then have a single proxy in front of it all.
 

andybond

ClioSport Club Member
Yeah, but very much from the playground perspective rather than security focused.
Plus being able to spin up a new service with a few lines of bash rather than running an installer, which may have a ton of dependencies that get installed, but aren’t removed if you uninstall the app.
Plus you can have a bunch of web servers which all think they’re running on port 80 but you can easily map them to other ports to avoid conflict then have a single proxy in front of it all.
Ok. That makes sense. Thanks for the clarity!
 

charltjr

ClioSport Club Member
First round of offshoring has happened following our recent buyout. Most of the devs have been put at risk, although we still don’t know exactly how many are going.

CEO is chirpily posting on LinkedIn about their recent visit to India to meet our incredible team out there and extending our global coverage. We already have global coverage and the Indian time zone doesn’t work well for our needs, but let’s gloss over that.

The stupidest thing is that this is actually a great opportunity to restructure and fix structural problems, but all they are doing is lifting and shifting to save money.

Morale is “not good”. I’m safe for now and in the fortunate position of not needing another job at the same level, but I really feel for people earlier on in their careers who are going to get the shaft. Way of the world I know, but still sad to see it being done and done so badly.
 

botfch

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182
First round of offshoring has happened following our recent buyout. Most of the devs have been put at risk, although we still don’t know exactly how many are going.

CEO is chirpily posting on LinkedIn about their recent visit to India to meet our incredible team out there and extending our global coverage. We already have global coverage and the Indian time zone doesn’t work well for our needs, but let’s gloss over that.

The stupidest thing is that this is actually a great opportunity to restructure and fix structural problems, but all they are doing is lifting and shifting to save money.

Morale is “not good”. I’m safe for now and in the fortunate position of not needing another job at the same level, but I really feel for people earlier on in their careers who are going to get the shaft. Way of the world I know, but still sad to see it being done and done so badly.

Give it 10 years and they’ll onshore it all again.

Happened at my previous company, everything got shifted to the India office.
They kept getting stuff wrong so UK contractors were hired to check and oversee (basically redo) the work.
Company eventually worked out the contractors and India office was costing more so everything was brought back to the UK.

Soon as a new CFO comes in the cycle repeats.
 

Donny_Dog

ClioSport Club Member
  Jim's rejects
I think I've said this already in other threads over the years (and witnessed it - so I'm not a racialist or owt) BUT..
Not 1 company I've worked with or for, has ever had success with Indian outsourcing. Other than some short term £ cost reduction.
It has always backfired. Largely in part to the Indian (not just them TBF) culture of not being able to say no.
 

charltjr

ClioSport Club Member
I’ve got no problem at all with offshoring done well, it’s logical as long as it’s done right. This isn’t that. It is REALLY hard to do it right and it takes time and money. Can’t imagine why it goes wrong so often 😂

We actually put forward a plan three years ago to start building out an offshore services unit in Eastern Europe. Lower costs, decent talent pool, easier to spend time there and get the culture right. Let natural wastage take it’s course and recruit new heads offshore unless there was a skills gap we couldn’t fill. Company wouldn’t fund it.

Our new owners have played a blinder to be fair. They own and run the offshored org that we now need to transition to, so not only does our profitability go up thanks to lower costs but they see the revenue from the offshoring too. Then if/when we get sold, they get to keep that revenue stream as an offshored contract. Clever private equity buggers.

It’s all about making them money so I’ve no doubt this is just the start of things. Hey ho!
 

Krarl

ClioSport Club Member
Putting anything in India doesn't work

Their country still runs on bribery and layers upon layers of generational family wealth/hierarchy. We had a DC in Mumbai which was meant to be "the latest and greatest and will save us millions each year"

Low and behold, less than 2 years later the whole Data Centre Services department thinks it was a total waste of time and a complete virtue signalling exercise. None of them would do anything properly, it was so bad that our staff would fly from Singapore to Mumbai to swap hard drives because the smart hands in Mumbai was that s**t

They're f**king useless, some of the cabling could have been done better by a 5 year old. Plus it took back handers to get our hardware into the country, it's a joke of a place
 

sn00p

ClioSport Club Member
  A blue one.
Infornstionalise me.

I don’t see the point in containers. I use them as I have to but it’s another abstraction layer of complexity that is not needed.

If I wanted resilience I’d use a cluster
If I wanted security I’d use a multitude of products.

What’s a container providing me?
the ability to spin up one or many instances of one or many different “ready to go” services in seconds.

If you have an existing configuration, you generally just map the configuration file (or folders) from the host into the container.

Something gets fucked in the container? As long as it’s not the configuration, you can simply delete the container and re-spin it back up in seconds with a “factory os” with your existing configuration.

Technically speaking the idea of docker is to have one service per container, but you don’t have to do that (although most images you’ll find on the hub will be that way) and you can use docker compose to define the interdependencies and start order for the various containers.

It’s shared the kernel with the host so there’s only the tiniest overhead, much lower than using a VM since it’s simply just sharing the resources of the kernel, the container will contain its entire “os” image (barring the kernel) so as far as the container is concerned, it’s running a full os.

You can share devices, have massive control over the networking of the containers and whether it uses a docker bridge or whether it uses the hosts networking, in bridge mode you can map host ports to ports inside the container, that’s incredibly useful because the container thinks everything is happening on whatever ports the service uses, but the host will be using ports convenient to it.

That is even more useful when you have many services that by default use the same port, for example I have tens of containers that all provide web interfaces (and some are just multiple instances of the same service) and I don’t have to faff in the container changing ports, I leave them as 443 and then give them a unique port on the host, couple that with a reverse proxy and you can access all your things such as Emby, Plex, Node Red and many others by domain name rather than having to specify the host IP and having to remember the port that a particular service is using.

It’s also useful for build tools that can sometimes be difficult or extremely long winded to install and can sometimes cause issues if they overwrite stuff, or if things need specific versions of libraries, you can keep the app happy because it has its own copies of the libraries and is completely separate to the hosts libraries, and for tools like that you can create a shell script that calls docker so you can make all the docker stuff invisible, it looks like you’re running the app inside the host when it’s happening inside the container.

I also use LXC containers because they again are more lightweight than a full VM, but are designed to be a full os, so you spin up containerised versions of your favourite Linux distribution and can use it as if it’s a VM.

I rarely use VM’s anymore because the combination of docker and LXC pretty much has all bases covered.
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
Give it 10 years and they’ll onshore it all again.

Happened at my previous company, everything got shifted to the India office.
They kept getting stuff wrong so UK contractors were hired to check and oversee (basically redo) the work.
Company eventually worked out the contractors and India office was costing more so everything was brought back to the UK.

Soon as a new CFO comes in the cycle repeats.


Yep. Very common.
 
  340i
I've been dipping my toe into containerisation lately... Albeit the VMware / Broadcom flavour - TKG (Tanzu Kubernetes Grid).

Looking to bring the offering to several edge locations, I've seen a gradual increase from our development groups requesting the capability.
 

rctempire

ClioSport Moderator
I've been dipping my toe into containerisation lately... Albeit the VMware / Broadcom flavour - TKG (Tanzu Kubernetes Grid).

Looking to bring the offering to several edge locations, I've seen a gradual increase from our development groups requesting the capability.
Hold your horses with VMware / Broadcom, thats for the bin in around 5 years. Only BIG BIG places will be using it.

The model they have created will eventually move everyone to HyperV or Nutanix.
 

Donny_Dog

ClioSport Club Member
  Jim's rejects
Hold your horses with VMware / Broadcom, thats for the bin in around 5 years. Only BIG BIG places will be using it.

The model they have created will eventually move everyone to HyperV or Nutanix.
The mess they have created.... You mean?
 

Donny_Dog

ClioSport Club Member
  Jim's rejects
They nuked their own product.
..product(s) and platforms...and customers...

I'm not disagreeing btw. More adding to what you're saying.

They've turned organisations away from big/nested I.T due to this I reckon.
I think it'll define IT for the next generation and switch thinking from large vendor "all-in-one" solutions/roadmaps being bought and sold across the board.

E.g Cisco SDA, ACI - you need all Cisco underlay to run it. No thanks.
...Echos of the VMware stack....vsphere, VRNI/aria, NSX... Now to be broken up and moved on, leaving everyone with either a new vendor AND higher licencing.
Once bitten, twice shy, I say.

Even our managers who branded us a "VMware house" or "Cisco house" are no longer saying that s**t.
That's not a bad thing at all. Just that, it's defining for our industry - at least I think so.
 
  340i
Hold your horses with VMware / Broadcom, thats for the bin in around 5 years. Only BIG BIG places will be using it.

The model they have created will eventually move everyone to HyperV or Nutanix.

Yup, that's our 'problem'... We're BIG and very intertwined with VMware products. I couldn't begin to imagine the complexity of detaching from them and migrating to a different product line.
 

SharkyUK

ClioSport Club Member
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  340i
Currently going through workforce reductions... 10% cut across the entire company.

I have a meeting at 4PM today with my manager and HR to discuss my 'status' - Been playing on my mind all weekend, I've been through several lay-off cycles before, but this one feels different - I've seen people who I'd never imagine being impacted break the news they're leaving!

I worked for an amazing manager previously, a true servant leader... Since he retired 12 months ago, our group has been bounced around 4 different managers, without the knowledge or experience to lead our group - I worry this will have a major play in decisions being made, simply not understanding the impact of their actions.

Hit me up, if you hear of any senior IT roles (Infrastructure leadership, technical product management, server / storage / DC management, manufacturing systems integration etc.) in Derbyshire and surrounding areas... Remote / hybrid position ideally!
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
Currently going through workforce reductions... 10% cut across the entire company.

I have a meeting at 4PM today with my manager and HR to discuss my 'status' - Been playing on my mind all weekend, I've been through several lay-off cycles before, but this one feels different - I've seen people who I'd never imagine being impacted break the news they're leaving!

I worked for an amazing manager previously, a true servant leader... Since he retired 12 months ago, our group has been bounced around 4 different managers, without the knowledge or experience to lead our group - I worry this will have a major play in decisions being made, simply not understanding the impact of their actions.

Hit me up, if you hear of any senior IT roles (Infrastructure leadership, technical product management, server / storage / DC management, manufacturing systems integration etc.) in Derbyshire and surrounding areas... Remote / hybrid position ideally!


That's s**t mate, sorry to hear. Labours plans certainly aren't helping, my client base is hedge, private equity, boutique banks and family offices mostly, the amount of them that are moving out of the UK is pretty startling !

But don't worry, "we are aiming for growth and UK investment" according to the chancellor ...... luckily for us, we are worldwide, and the very big in the US, which is booming at the moment.

Jobs are out there mate!
 
  340i
That's s**t mate, sorry to hear. Labours plans certainly aren't helping, my client base is hedge, private equity, boutique banks and family offices mostly, the amount of them that are moving out of the UK is pretty startling !

But don't worry, "we are aiming for growth and UK investment" according to the chancellor ...... luckily for us, we are worldwide, and the very big in the US, which is booming at the moment.

Jobs are out there mate!

I actually work for a US based company, they're global / fortune 500... I am in a niche position (Worked my balls off for the last 5yrs to reach!), currently leading a team of engineers across the US!

I looked across the job market this week, fired applications at a couple of roles, although they all involve travelling more than I'd like. :sleep:
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
I actually work for a US based company, they're global / fortune 500... I am in a niche position (Worked my balls off for the last 5yrs to reach!), currently leading a team of engineers across the US!

I looked across the job market this week, fired applications at a couple of roles, although they all involve travelling more than I'd like. :sleep:


I have noticed this. Seems a lot of work in London, but not as much wfh atm.

From what I have heard from recruiters, and in my own experience of recruiting here, there’s s**t loads of candidates, but many are crap. Making it hard for recruiters to see the wood for the trees for positions.

Not easy to get the airtime due to the above
 
  340i
I have noticed this. Seems a lot of work in London, but not as much wfh atm.

From what I have heard from recruiters, and in my own experience of recruiting here, there’s s**t loads of candidates, but many are crap. Making it hard for recruiters to see the wood for the trees for positions.

Not easy to get the airtime due to the above

Yup, majority of companies / roles which appeal to me are London / Southern based - I don't fancy a 350~ mile daily commute... 😅
 

mace¬

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio
Currently going through workforce reductions... 10% cut across the entire company.

I have a meeting at 4PM today with my manager and HR to discuss my 'status' - Been playing on my mind all weekend, I've been through several lay-off cycles before, but this one feels different - I've seen people who I'd never imagine being impacted break the news they're leaving!

I worked for an amazing manager previously, a true servant leader... Since he retired 12 months ago, our group has been bounced around 4 different managers, without the knowledge or experience to lead our group - I worry this will have a major play in decisions being made, simply not understanding the impact of their actions.

Hit me up, if you hear of any senior IT roles (Infrastructure leadership, technical product management, server / storage / DC management, manufacturing systems integration etc.) in Derbyshire and surrounding areas... Remote / hybrid position ideally!
I know the feeling of quarterly redundancies for multiple years and looking back now I didn't realise at the time how much damage it was doing to me and the people around me. Constantly being told on a 3 month rolling basis that your job was at risk.

On the plus side we lost the contract, I managed to negotiate outside of TUPE for a new contract and not looked back.

Good luck and you are definitely doing the right thing looking elsewhere. Get out of the situation as quickly as you can as it is not a good lifestyle to be living looking over your shoulder.
 

andybond

ClioSport Club Member
I actually work for a US based company, they're global / fortune 500... I am in a niche position (Worked my balls off for the last 5yrs to reach!), currently leading a team of engineers across the US!

I looked across the job market this week, fired applications at a couple of roles, although they all involve travelling more than I'd like. :sleep:
I often take a peek at linked in and you can filter by remote only.

Could be the greatest thing that ever happened to you. I wasn’t thinking in a similar position 15 or so years ago.

Never looked back
 

KitsonRis

ClioSport Club Member
I often take a peek at linked in and you can filter by remote only
Not always helpful when they say it’s remote. I’ve had one where I sent my CV off as it was remote and looked decent but then when I got speaking to the recruiter it was office based in London and he said “oh I always say remote to get more interest”. No thanks.
 

andybond

ClioSport Club Member
Not always helpful when they say it’s remote. I’ve had one where I sent my CV off as it was remote and looked decent but then when I got speaking to the recruiter it was office based in London and he said “oh I always say remote to get more interest”. No thanks.
What a unhelpful person they are !
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
Not always helpful when they say it’s remote. I’ve had one where I sent my CV off as it was remote and looked decent but then when I got speaking to the recruiter it was office based in London and he said “oh I always say remote to get more interest”. No thanks.


This is a pet hate of mine. Recruiters are bad for it. The common recruitment sites are shite for it!
 

charltjr

ClioSport Club Member
Offshoring usually goes to s**t mate anyway

Yeah, I don’t think they care. The company that now owns us also owns the company that the jobs are being offshored to…… ‘tis a cunning wheeze. I will probably be ok for a while because I’ve got mad skillz in our product, but the next few years are going to be rocky.

I want to pack it all in and travel the world in a van anyway. Why yes, I am middle aged, why do you ask? Digital nomad and all that twattery 😂
 

Advikaz

ClioSport Club Member
Had a client this morning who tried to whitelist a single IPv6 address and almost whitelisted 79,228,162,514,264,337,593,543,950,336 addresses instead.

seventy-nine octillion, two hundred and twenty-eight septillion, one hundred and sixty-two sextillion, five hundred and fourteen quintillion, two hundred and sixty-four quadrillion, three hundred and thirty-seven trillion, five hundred and ninety-three billion, five hundred and forty-three million, nine hundred and fifty thousand and three hundred and thirty-six - if you wanted to say it out loud
 


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