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HELP: Removed my 182 Gearbox, more than Thrust Bearing Broken



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Razmann4k

  Titanium Clio 182FF
Hi, I recently purchased a 182 with my dad that had an issue (which we were aware of before buying). The clutch fork wobbled around when the car was just idling, with so much movement that it was hitting some pipes. When releasing the clutch when pulling off the car would judder violently and when trying to go into reverse it would grate and we'd have to switch the car off first. When the car was up to speed though, it changed between 2nd and 3rd, 3rd to 4th etc. fine enough, though the clutch bit really really early, like a finger's distance from the floor, so I assume the ratchet adjuster or cable may be at fault (the cable is a cheap plastic thing that I will replace). Other than those issues, the engine, suspension, bodywork, etc. was in good nick, and the price was reasonable, so we took it, hoping to fix it up ourselves on our driveway.

Now, the previous owner apparently had the syncros and clutch done only 5000km ago, and they said they didn't have the flywheel skimmed. However, I'm not sure I trust the quality of the work done by whoever they took it to, and we planned while the gearbox is off to inspect the clutch disc and flywheel myself, and I think I'm going to have the box inspected and potentially refurbished professionally.

We managed after a lot of trouble to remove the gearbox, and as we suspected, the thrust bearing was ruined. However, this other thing the thrust bearing rides on which I'm not entirely sure of its name is also broken.

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NorthloopCup

NorthloopCup

ClioSport Moderator
That’s the 3rd guid tube in almost as many weeks that’s fucked like that.

Best advise is don’t skim the flywheel either. They don’t respond well to that and it makes them a potential point of failure - especially if they take too much meat off.
 
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Razmann4k

  Titanium Clio 182FF
NorthloopCup said:
That’s the 3rd guid tube in almost as many weeks that’s fucked like that.

Best advise is don’t skim the flywheel either. They don’t respond well to that and it makes them a potential point of failure - especially if they take too much meat off.
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Thanks for responding so soon😂 At least I'm not alone, why do you think the guide tube got so fucked as you put it? The tube was even flared at the end where it meets the pressure plate, like a rolled lip, so much so that the thrust bearing won't even come off. Only thing I can say is that the state of the rest of car shows that whoever worked on it cut corners (the front struts had no rubber seats below the springs for example), and may have taken the previous owner for a ride.

BTW, I haven't yet removed the clutch and pressure plate as it was getting dark, but I noticed once the box was off that the flywheel seemed like it has two separate sets of teeth, the height of the inner ring was shorter, so it may be a dual mass flywheel.

Perhaps if it is a dual-mass, the clutch and pressure plates aren't the same between dual mass and non-dual mass flywheels, and the person who installed the new clutch didn't install the correct one? And as for skimming the flywheel, does that mean when changing the clutch and pressure plate, as long as there's still meat on it, and it isn't otherwise ruined, that it can just be reused as is and won't have any issues interfacing with the new clutch disc?

Also, I'm wondering whether it will also be advisable or necessary to change the clutch fork, it shows shiny metal where it's supposed to contact the thrust bearing and may be unevenly worn, although I didn't check it thoroughly yet.
 
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NorthloopCup

NorthloopCup

ClioSport Moderator
Razmann4k said:
Thanks for responding so soon😂 At least I'm not alone, why do you think the guide tube got so fucked as you put it? The tube was even flared at the end where it meets the pressure plate, like a rolled lip, so much so that the thrust bearing won't even come off. Only thing I can say is that the state of the rest of car shows that the previous owner/owners cut corners and penny pinched (the front struts had no rubber seats below the springs for example), so I wouldn't be surprised if they took it to some second rate mechanic who had never touched an RS in their lives.

BTW, I haven't yet removed the clutch and pressure plate as it was getting dark, but I noticed once the box was off that the flywheel seemed like it has two separate sets of teeth, the height of the inner ring was shorter, so it may be a dual mass flywheel.

Perhaps if it is a dual-mass, the clutch and pressure plates aren't the same between dual mass and non-dual mass flywheels, and the person who installed the new clutch didn't install the correct one? And as for skimming the flywheel, does that mean when changing the clutch and pressure plate, as long as there's still meat on it, and it isn't otherwise ruined, that it can just be reused as is and won't have any issues interfacing with the new clutch disc?

Also, I'm wondering whether it will also be advisable or necessary to change the clutch fork, it shows shiny metal where it's supposed to contact the thrust bearing and may be unevenly worn, although I didn't check it thoroughly yet.
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I think the reason they’re failing is due to age mate tbh. Many heat cycles have gone through those clutch guide tubes now.

As above, single mass flywheel not dual.

Regards the flywheel, if there’s no significant grooves in it, or cracks that you can fit your finger nail in, just clean it up with emery paper on the surface and refit/replace the clutch.
 
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Razmann4k

  Titanium Clio 182FF
JamesBryan said:
Not a dual mass on them.

Two sets of teeth is right, the ones at the back are for the starter and the front set is for the trigger pattern on the crankshaft sensor.
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Well, that's a relief😅
NorthloopCup said:
I think the reason they’re failing is due to age mate tbh. Many heat cycles have gone through those clutch guide tubes now.

As above, single mass flywheel not dual.

Regards the flywheel, if there’s no significant grooves in it, or cracks that you can fit your finger nail in, just clean it up with emery paper on the surface and refit/replace the clutch.
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Makes sense, I hope I can find a guide tube in South Africa🤞🏻 As for the flywheel, I'll definitely give it the once over in the manner you stated. Thanks again.
 
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Razmann4k

  Titanium Clio 182FF
NorthloopCup said:
I think the reason they’re failing is due to age mate tbh. Many heat cycles have gone through those clutch guide tubes now.

As above, single mass flywheel not dual.

Regards the flywheel, if there’s no significant grooves in it, or cracks that you can fit your finger nail in, just clean it up with emery paper on the surface and refit/replace the clutch.
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@NorthloopCup Hi again, does the flywheel have a pilot bearing? I don't seem to see it. Also, don't worry about the oil leak, I'm changing the oil seal too!

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Razmann4k

  Titanium Clio 182FF
chazza114 said:
That's the bracket that sits on the outside of the gearbox at the bottom, to hold the rod attached to shifter linkage in place. I might have a picture of one somewhere.

Edit: Terrible picture but it sits down here:

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Thanks! I'm wondering if that isn't for the dogbone, because I looked the shifter linkage is much further to the left?
 
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Razmann4k

  Titanium Clio 182FF
chazza114 said:
That looks correct. When it's tightened up, the lower hook of the bar goes tight to the bottom of the mount. Not sure what the other hooked bit on the mount is for. Of course I could be majorly wrong but that looks fine to me.
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Perfect, thanks again!
Mr Underhill said:
As above, looks spot on. Nice and clean under there 👌
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Great, thanks😂 It wasn't like that a couple of weeks ago when we bought it! Years of caked on oil and grime from a leaky rear main seal and sump gasket, both of which we fixed when we had the box out! The gearbox, sump and entire subframe were dark brown and greasy, now you could eat your supper off of it!
 
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