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iF i COULD GET OVER TO eNGLAND GUYS i WOULD - ITS NO FUN OVER HERE BECAUSE ALL YOU GUYS ARE OVER THERE AND THERES ONLY 1 OTHER 172 AND 1 OTHER CUP HERE PLUS A V6 DRIVEN BY THE OWNER OF RENAULT - I DONT KNOW ANY OF THESE GUYS AND DONT THINK THERE ON THIS FORUM ANYHOW?

Phone R-Sport lads and stop arguing about something u dont really have the answer too ! Theyll tell u everything you need to know! Heres the number 02085407366 ;) Dash - why have y said "sadly not a cup" in your profile - thought u had a V6 - Ill swap if u like!!

Rob, ur forgetting the weight of the V6 again against the cup - get a hold of the Evo mag from November or December 2002 and read for yourself - the cup beat the V6 and 172 and its just as quick in a straight line too (fraid to say Ive been in one and wish I owned one, but thatll be afew years...

Evo actually claimed 0-62 in 6.5 which would mean a lower 0-60 by about 0.2/0.3 secs! But hey whos counting! Increasing torque and getting 0-100 times down will I think become the next challenge amongst all us car enthusiasts! Its funny when u talk to bikers and ask whats the 0-60 and they...

The one that R-Sport is producing is specifically set up for the CUP which has a different ECU to start with - so do u think it will work with the 172 MK1 (definately not) or the MK2? Maybe but thats like me sticking a 16V ecu into my Mk2 1600 16V or a cup ecu into my 1600 - aint gonna work is...

Its the limited slip diff - not like a quaife one on the Focus RS ,but same principle - cuts in too put the most power/grip on the wheel on the inside of the corner or outside depending on curve direction of corner! The knocking is the system working..............

OOOOppppss - so I did - good point - I take it u read the Renault Mag issue where they compared them all?

lol mate!! U only need to be able to count to 5ish though..................

Yup it was my baby - looked lovely didnt it!!!! We all come around to liking it and wanting one in the end dont we! Whoever thought of the genius idea to strip out the spare wheel, ABS and aircon from there MK1 must be a bit stupid coz that aint gonna make a cup its just gonna make a low value...

Thats right but all Im saying is the Cup is homolgated for Grp N (or people who want to use it for Grp N) coz it has to be basically showroom spec!

The Cup is homolgated for Grp N - go ask Renault Sport if u dont believe me infact pick up a damn brochure and read it for yourself and at the same time have a wee think about why it wouldnt come with small luxuries etc???? U know when u buy a replacement green or K&N filter - well smack me...

Danny dont really understand what u mean coz u naturally drive in 5th at 100 but if ur at the limiter in 5th at 100 then there is something wrong? But u can be at various RPMs at 100 in 4th or 5th - dont really get you?

Unfortunately renault got the standard time for the cup wrong - all the mags CCC, EVO, Autocar, CAR etc timed a fresh factory one at 6.5secs standard. And the S3 is a hell of a lot heavier - na S3 dont intimidate me at all, in fact not much does other than a motorbike,an M3/Porsche GT3/Evo 5/6...

Is it the brand new STi version??

U shouldnt be hitting limiter in 5th until 140mph, 115 approx in 4th!

Well thats the idea isnt it with the upgrades - liek originally said in the brochure fort the Cup a series of performance upgrades will be available to turn your car into a full on race car for the road and track - and to go rallying the car had to be to Grp N spec - thats why the cup is...

Yeah 0-60 in 10.6 and 98BHP My 1600 16V does 60 in 8 and has 138 BHP - nice motor for tuning if you have the doh - check out the super1600 with 220BHP!!!

Its a Grpn N ECU for the CUP not just a remap - apparently gives 15% across the torque range and 15% more power - should be hitting 200BHP then with near 180Ib.ft Torque - combine that with Grp N zorst/replacemnt filter and a dose of dieting and wolla - one seriously quick motor!

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dANNY - u should be hitting 115 in 4th though?

Mine crunches all the time but as u get used to it ull learn not to - it has a very high biting point also the accelerator sticks sometimes and car continues to accelerate after uve taken ur foot of the pleasure pedal!!!! Maybe is the carpet mat sticking though underneath!

Sangy just updated my profile to market my new range of cup mods like yourself.................he he

http://www.audi.co.uk/newcars/range.jsp?section=/models/a3/s3http://www.audi.co.uk/newcars/range.jsp?section=/models/a3/s3 Like I said 6.6 secs to 60! In and around the same as Mr CUP

lol sangy - can I have a sticker please!

Yeah but its proven renaults official figures are wrong - all the big mags tested it at 6.5 to 60! And thats what it is!

Look at the stats for the S3 - o-60 in the same as a 172!!!! Dont know what ur looking at mate! And because the cup is quicker than the 172, me thinke mesa win - which I do generally! So there........................

Kinda easy to annihilate a cooper at the end of the day and a cooper s come to think of it! Porsches are the best races and beemers!

The 1.8T is the same unit in the Golf GTi and the quickest GTi is the V6$motion at 8.2 to 60 which is quicker than the 1.8T so me no thinkso, 172 piss all over that engine...................even the R32 is slow!!!!

The 17s in speedlines are flow-formed and are lighter than the 16S...........

Danny thats serious money - Insurers tend only to consider cheaper premiums when u are in your 26th year and that with having a number of No claims bonus years under your belt! Maybe u should consider a smaller engine for the moment! Its a lot of car for being 20 after all! Im 27 in march and...