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Its a Vauxhall though, BORING!!!!!!!!!

Renault offered me £6200 for my Y-reg VTS with 30,000 on the clock.

Yeah i liked the Cup, it handles better than the VTS but the performance didnt impress me so much. Didnt feel much quicker than the VTS to be honest. I was expecting it to be real mad with the power to weight ratios.... VTS - 130 bhp per tonne Cup - 171 bhp per tonne

They prefered the 306 GTI 6 above all the others mate and the 106 came 2nd.

Ha ha ha!! Nice one Craggy!!!! Anyway Clio boys i just took your advice and test drove a Cup :D

I live in Oxfordshire mate.

A fair bit faster id say Paddy. The acceleration up to 5k is mad but once the 2nd cam comes on its bloody scary! Truely amazing.

ha ha ha ha!! TVRs against Hot hatches, no contest. My mate has a Lotus Elise 135 and we came up against a TVR Griffin once. As you know Elise 135s are rapid cars, 0-100 in about 15 secs, well this Griffin totally took the pi55 out of us.

Type-R is faster, sounds superb and much bigger inside. The traction is superb, i booted it in 2nd coming off a roundabout and where a 172s back end would slip out, it just carried on, superb car.

Sorry people, just test drove a Civic Type-R, my mind is made up.

Red ones are 200 bhp arent they paddy?!!!;)

It was a silver 172 i drove, handles well, it didnt feel quicker than my VTS until about 4500 rpm, from then on it chuffing flys!

Just test drove a 172:D Quite impressed!

LOL @ Girlracer!! Im still not entirely decided yet, the Type-R is so nice.

Im amazed about how many people complain about rattles and squeaks! My VTS is a 2001 Y-reg and done 30,000 miles, it has no rattles or squeaks. I thought Clios were much better built than Saxos???

I like the red colour, classy.

Is it true what it says in Evo mag about the Satria GTi taking 36.5 secs to hit 100 mph? Thats shockingly slow!

Thanks for the replies! The comment about the VTSs MPG is spot on! When you drive it hard, it drinks juice like a Ferrari! So according to you lot, a 172 is best, what colour? I have a black VTS and have to clean it every day! Silver is nice.

I know Craggy of the SaxoSportsClub, didnt know he got a 14.9!! Thats fantastic for a VTS but he is a hell of a good driver.

The only thing stopping me is the £15,995 price tag of the Civic Type-R. What sort of BHP do 172s get on the rollers as standard? My VTS got 102 bhp at the wheels.

Hello there people, as you can probally tell by my name i currently own a Saxo VTS but please dont hold that against me! Im considering buying a new car soon and the 172/Cup is a contender. The 172 Cup seems great with 171 bhp per tonne and only £12,995 but no ABS! Sounds damm right scary to...

WHAT??!! Your VTS does a 14.8 ?!!!!! You supercharged it?!!!

So what do you think is quicker your VTS or Willy?

Thought it was quicker than what Evo state, i got 20 flat but that was with lots of wheel spin in 1st!

Craggy, you should know, what 0-100 you had out of your VTS??

No, you wont be spanking VTRs, their power to weight is the same as a 1.6 Dynamique so it will be close. And as for a Dynamique chasing a VTS!! I dont think so. VTSs do 15.9 1/4 miles as standard, not far off a 172! I dont intend any of this to be hostile by the way, just stating facts.

VTRs were 90 bhp as standard, then 98 bhp but now their 100 bhp. Their alot lighter than Clios too due to the crap build quality as well. VTRs have 108 bhp per ton, a good match for a 1.6 Dynamique.

R308BC, yes VTRs do but try a VTS!:D

VTRs may only be 8 valve but they only weigh 920 kg and have 100 ib/ft avaliable at 3500 rpm, a VTR against a 1.6 16v Dynamique would be close.

Not by much! In Evo the Cup was timed at 17.9 secs to 100 mph, the V6 was timed at 17.0 secs. Nothing in it.