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^ 44mm (sorry, I'll get my coat) v

Words can only hurt you if you try to read them. Don't play their game.

I'm not an ambi-turner

The Derek Zoolander of CS?

Think I need to test drive a mk1 before deciding. Either way it's gonna have to be mars red.

Who here's driven a mk1 and a mk2? Comparison?

Saw 2 197 in nimbus recently. On standard, looked boring. On the R27 looks fantastic. Think it the wheel colour that makes the difference. RB looks gash with standard 182 wheels, but great with the anthracite cup wheels.

Standard, not a great deal in it but requires a completely different technique. Vee's all about exit speed, sacrifice entry speed to get the right exit and a standard 1*2 will struggle.

Some scottish dude told me a fable about running water, inside toilets, no more open sewers. Explain that? Beheaded him for troubles, damn colonies.

Your scottish. We believe nowt you say;)

We were both going for it yesterday, even if I was in the right gear the vee pulled away. Not masses, but def pulled away. Nothing wrong with my 172 either, was dead level (if not pulling ever so slightly) against Riz's previous (182). In gear, no contest.

Yep, mine hate's them too. Part of the appeal!

Because he looks pre-pubescent? (Spelling??)

Some really skinny motorola that you get free with £20 credit at carphone warehouse i think

15k. Deffo worth it IMO, same price as new 172's were.

You think he ever will;) . He does look a mong driving it, too tall. Looks stooped over the wheel, Lurch style.

Do a thorough check, seems very cheap from a stealer. Jokers had it up at 7.5k to start with!

Welcome to Birmingham. One of the safest parts too!

That an offer;) . Steering is strange (coming from FWD), almost no weight but still decent feel. Think it's a car you have to learn to trust, but I'd rather take the time in a Vee rather than get in and just put my foot down in a rice rocket.

Yeah, thats what it looked like. The in-gear grunt is light years ahead of a hot hatch. Major worry for me, is if we hit the £1.50 litre, with my mileage the additional fuel cost would be ~£1500. But TBF there aren't many cars at that price point that are so enjoyable regardless of speed.

Like Dr Fox?

Pah. 27 yrs old, 7yr NCD, no convictions. Standard 172.......£850.

Never missed air con in the rallye, but use it loads now in the 172.

Went for a little drive with Riz (and his new Vee) last night. Was quite surprised, the Vee corners much harder (and flatter) than I thought they could. Speed wise, not much in it if I was in the right gear just below 5k revs, Vee pulled slightly (but steadily). If I was in the wrong gear...

Needs clear side indicator

Splitter looks way too aftermarket

Would you buy a car and say the old one was better? I'm not saying either is better, what I'm saying is make his own mind up. And I'd trust an unbiased engineer over a biased owner;). (Not that cup owners could be accused of rose tinted spex)

Go and drive them both. Be mad to buy a car without driving. The 197 owners will say go for that, the 1*2 owners will say the trophy. When EVO (or Autocar, not sure) interviewed one of the engineers at Renaultsport Dieppe, he said it's an unfair comparison as the Trophy was the zenith of the 1*2...

Gave it a quick wash, interior needs doing!

Pics with custard required. With todays newspaper, and some form of photo id. High proliferation of these body-kitted 318's on CS at the mo.;) Car looks seriously lovely. I think a red CSL with the black detailing would of looked fantastic.