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Lol. I actually missed the thread. I just saw it had been locked and Chip had posted (many many many many many time) - a relatively common occurence it would seem...!

Much like your inability to see when people are bored of your apparent know-it-all posting on a forum? Are Joe Public that bothered about certain ways of mapping cars and how much experience you have in this area (let's not forget chemistry, physics, car selling/buying, cheese, fermentation...)...

Yet more confusion. And I think on your part. That was a point, not a question about how much you know me? Not that that stopped the jibes about the area I grew up in, of course...!

Oh dear oh dear. Perhaps a return to "fat versus smoking" threads, Chipmeister.

Copy, save, post another time.

Ah OK. Now I get the point. How the hell does it take so long to post that? Your debating skills, sir, need work (you arguing f**kwit x) ;)

Before I get more confused about what you're actually arguing; Jo public has a nice Audi. He goes to the Polish car wash who marr his paint and it looks s**t after 6 months. He has the money to get it corrected and you agree he would see a difference. So if he had washed it properly in the...

It is relevant. It's a reply to your post about time, money and doing it themselves... And of course it does. I spend £££ on detailing products and a decent enough car because I can. Someone who has a lesser bank balance wouldn't spend £££ on Unicorn spunk (to quote Roy).

So hang on (yes, I'm going back on my post above and posting again). Your above post is agreeing that if a Joe Public had his car detailed (not £20 washed as above, properly detailed) they'd see the difference? So would you not think they would ask how to keep the car looking like that, to which...

Moi?

Ah the rich boy comment has come out! Excellent - that means I need post no more as it automatically voids every single one of your posts. Congratulations on your jealousy-through-presumption failings.

My neighbours are Joe and Jo Average. They have more money than most of Cheshire put together. But after correcting a few of their cars, he now goes out and washes it himself to keep it in that condition. Even the cake faced receptionist at the Aston dealership I pitched for business at 17...

See, this is the reason I'm asking. I don't have the necessary space or hardware to do this. So for me, it's a case of detail and protect it will every 6 months, then use a decent pre wash to soak the grime and take it to the local jet wash.

So. Lots of discussion about this stage recently because of ASDAs price drop on a relatively unknown product; Rapid Dirt Shifter from CarPlan/Demon Shine. Much like AF's Citrus Power, this is an LSP safe pre wash spray that breaks down grime. The question is, with ASDA able to sell this...

I have no idea why you (Chip) think the above photos put any weight to your argument. Heavily edited and the first one shows very dirty wheels?

I give up.

Oh and lol at you using protected when discussing detail as term - I see what you did there ;)

But that's the point. If you clean you car properly, you won't need the detailers to correct the work... Valeters damage the car more than is necessary. They do more damage in a single "sitting" than I/Kev do/does over 6-12 months. So again, it's education. We're not saying you need to spend...

But surely it's all about education? How many people now use the sponge/chamois brigade over the brushes at automatics? Why? Because it says "no scratches hand wash" on the sign. If you went through the entire car owning population and told them about the 2BM, more people would do it. But...

I think Kev was talking about an hourly rate. So the valeter charges £25 for an hours work, whereas the detailer charges £350 as it takes them a day or more.

All done to the lumberjack song, of course.

I'm a valeter, and I'm OK. I work through 300 cars a day. Love a sponge and a chamois too, but talk about PDGs - I don't have a clue!

Are you lot talking about the car in the OP, or posting in the wrong thread? 2013 and 5.7seconds is slow... and 30+ on a run is bad fuel consumption? Clio blinkers on me thinks... Great car at 20 or any age! Enjoy it and good luck in the new job pal!

Funny how if I'd try to launch one of our recent products with another publisher, I'd have been laughed out of the room. With pink pages, SIMPLES. Brand powa.

You mean how many vids/how much presence AF and GT do/have? Clever, huh. You should see the recognition analytics we get through at work for someone like Barclaycard. Do a single ad once a year, people recall is about 11%. Do one a month, 87% recall. Quite fascinating actually.

Yeah, so; http://puredetail.net/price-list.htm - "chamois leather dried to a streak free finish" versus; http://www.puredetail.co.uk/g-techniq-details/ - "paint thickness measured and full report" I wonder what insurance the former holds... And I wonder if they are aware of each other...

Point missed, but I agree with the first comment. "Approved by" means jack all. It means he's used the products. I'm "approved by" GT/AG/Megs because their reps have commented positively on detailing threads on DW. Authorised means they're trained and certified. Last point, meh. It depends how...

Different vans and mobile number, so guessing it's a different company. Would just be interested to see if the former is a rip off of a well known DW detailer, the one I posted up.

Interesting... http://www.puredetail.co.uk/ At £30 an hour, one presumes he is not GT authorised...?!

Bill @ Badger5 ftw. You'd get on well with Paul and Welly on AS.net.