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+1 drove that car. Be surprised if it was 190 tbh.

What a waste. Spend that much on suspension then drop it so low it won't handle.

My other 3gs arrives tomorrow, 16gb, black. Any idea how much it's worth? Prices are all over the place on fleabay.

I still love it. No side intakes on a mid engined car is unusual. The indicators themost stupid piece of design.

Having seen the quality of both, Yozzasport. All day, every day.

Why do people want a higher rev limit? I was under the impression that power drops away after 6500rpm?

Are they probax (sp?) seats? Uber comfy.

Best 197 I think. Would look epic in my rear view. ;)

Pain in the arse for daily use. Effectively renders the boot useless. I really don't like the idea of my jack etc smacking me in the back of the head in an accident.

Really gone off the VXR. Too chavvy and brash for me. Can't think of a single reason to choose one over a Cooper S Works.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=449606 I've owned H&R, and AST. Would pick these everytime.

Buy the 2nd hand kw v2's in the for sale section. Mine are fantastic, better than AST/H&R imo.

BT Voice dialling's playing up for me. Initially worked very well, but now doesn't work when connected to my HU. Very strange.

Def worth it. Especially if come to sell in a year.

I like people like keV. The fella in the pub that you knowis going to kick off, just never sure when or why. Like Russian roulette, with a skinhead.

Biggest load of tosh. Are you seriously saying that the 172 has a livlier back end than a 205? And how does me saying the 205 has a twitchy back end, indicate that I'm saying the 172 handles better? The lively back end of the 306/205 is what makes them such great handling cars. Madness.

Erm, not sure where I put the 172's handling in the same bracket as the 205? Just checked, I didn't. Plank.

Normally I'd tear into that. But I'm feeling less of a c**t today, so I'll leave be.

The info's in this thread dearest. Air is 78% Nitrogen. The idea of the remaining 22% making a significant (or even noticeable), doesn't make much sense.

Might be an idea to pop a wee bit of common sense in though!

Same hardware, but I believe the damping is slightly firmer on the Billies, and different springs. Icarus ran the Bilstein for a while, rated them very highly iirc.

But that only occurs if you go too low! Did he laser align, corner weight etc?

Short people have good taste, fact. (Please note I'm not saying short people taste good. I don't want to be responsible for someone eating Chris. Yes Tyssen, I'm talking to you)

Mk1 MCS Works?

Just shows how opinions differ. Burp felt the H&R's were way too soft on the rear. I felt they were pretty well balanced. There's no reason a well set-up coilover system should be outperformed by the oem units. In fact, I'd say they were badly set-up if that's the case.

If the finances allow, the only reason to go for the 197 instead of a 200 would be the exterior. Are you only considering clio's?

Drive one! Massively different! I'd drive both then decide which you prefer. Trophy owner's will say Trophy. 197 owner's will say 197. You're very unlikely to get an unbiased opinion. The 197 will be nicer to live with, but pricier (worse mpg than a Mini Cooper S Works!!) I'd imagine the...

I cycle past there all the time!

If you go too low, bump steer becomes an issue. Mine's not exactly low, but the handling's great. Great article from yoz: http://www.readyforthetrack.co.uk/2008/10/the-knowledge-2-suspension-clio-172-ff-cup/

And when repeating that story, I bet you have a massive grin!