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Yep;). Trophy are awesome, but you can get the handling just as good with well set-up, decent coilovers.

Just not true! There's a small difference, which a simple mod like sportlines rectifies. And don't forget the 182 comes with wider tyres, which fit the 172 (same size wheels).

Goodyear F1's, Yoko Parada's.

There is NO performance difference at all between a 172/182. None. Unless it's a ph1, they are very slightly quicker.

I've had 3x 172's, a 182, and a Trophy. Money no object, get the Trophy. Much better than a 172/182, but they are more expensive to insure. There's no difference between a 182/172. Sensible thing to do would be to buy a 172, then get it coilovered (H&R/AST/KW). Will be cheaper than a 182 or...

How do you reckon a ph1 would look in lunar;)

? Opinions?

Fank ya!!

Mars bar goes to the 1st person that can do a decent shop of this colour Onto a ph1 172

SSsssssshhhhhhhh! Going to be a surprise, allegro brown.

Really tempted by viper green, but would it look cheap? Every photoshop I've had done makes it look metallic, so I've no idea what it would look like. Matt black?

I'm getting a non standard colour, it's flame already.

Decent lad, gonna have to barter on the price though ;)

Zonda. On a side note, someone's seen a Zonda break down, and concluded that they are unreliable? Mercedes/AMG engine, should be reliable enough.

Going to see a man about having the 172 (Ph1) wrapped, thinking a slightly darker lunar grey, any other suggestions? Was keen on gt3 orange, but think it would look cheap on a Clio.

Thats a more level comment. The Vee has sooo much grip, but when it lets go (in 99% of peoples hands) its a problem.

I was listening to some Kenny this AM. Awesome.

Blah! You just stunt around, windows down, aviators on, Kenny Logins playin. TBF, tis an epic car for that,

Was a great car! The guy that bought it has a cup with serious mileage on it (135k+). He lives close to the triangle, lucky guy!

Will do. Lunar Ph1. Hmmmmm.

Anyone know how much a wrap would cost?

Isn't a big part of why people love it, because it's a challenge? Like a 911?

I remember that day. Where;s Fred Riz? Uh, I think his engine fell out.

i think i can see the driveshaft popping out ;)

Just down to luck. Other than conumables, never had a problem with any of the 5 I've owned.

I don't think they are s**t, anything but. But you can't say they are great handlers! Whenever someone criticises a car on here, it goes like this. -You haven't driven one -Oh, you have? Then you haven't driven it enough! -Oh, you have driven it enough? Well you haven't owned one, you can't...

Always wanted one, so read everything I could about them. Then I borrowed one, still love them, but I'll never own one.

Don't forget when renault sent the car to Porsche, they actually reduced the steering speed to stop it's natural tendency to fall into roll oversteer. Thats why the ph1 has better turn in.

Fank ya!

This place gets funnier evey day. A Vee is now better handling than the 1*2's? So pretty much every motoring journalist (who praise the car for it's epic lunacy) are wrong? FFS it weighs a lot, the engine's heavy and mounted too high, and it's a short wheelbase mid-engined car. Not exactly the...