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:) think ill take a black one please.

Fair points, but the cost vs performance thing is nonesense, who buys a car purely because its faster? If I wanted outright performance, id buy another RX7, the Leon costs extra because it is a better built car, that holds its value better. Its the same thing, people go on about how they can...

Ive found a Cupra R that sounds nice!! a 210 in black. I recon its going to be the Cupra R for me. As nice as the 182 is, and regardless of the fact it is very good value, I just feel like the Cupra is the better car overall, thou of course im only basing this on partial first hand...

Ive not got a 172 Cup at the minute, I did have one though, curently have an S2000. Did like the 172, but starting to think from the comments here, if im going to sell the S2000 to replace it with a hot hatch, then the Cupra is the one to go for. Cheers for the seat forum tip Hippychick, ive...

Well, ill have approx 11.5k cash to play with, and im struggling to find a 2003 Cupra R for that money, so it may be the 182 is the only choice, just as I dont want to end up spending more than I set aside in my mind to. Running costs too seem to be cheaper in the Clio, but im a bit worried...

The 182 with Cup packs is very good value, but want to keep the car for two years, so am a little nervous about build quality. Saying that, my 172 Cup never missed a beat, and a 2004 182 would still have a decent warranty. Recon the 182 with Cup packs is the Clio id go for, keep the...

Okay, asked this on scoobynet, but thought id get some Clio owners views on the subject... Which is ultimately the better car, as a day to day, good fun sporty hot hatch? I know the Cupra will be built better, but around £10k gets you a 2004 182. 2003 Cupra R is around £11.5k Is the Cupra...

Be progressive as you possibly can, itll get twitchy, but hold its line. Youre doing the best thing possible braking early and avoiding it completely, but when you get into a bit of a race or something, thats not really an option, so you sort of let the car twitch and keep it going straight as...

Its very light, so can feel a little twitchy when driving, plus is very direct with steering inputs. May be worth getting your alignment checked though, perhaps at next service if you can live with it, as that can make the car dart a lot more if its not spot on (remember to check tyre pressures...

Most carparks CCTV is completely useless, my brother in law had his car keyed a while back in a car park, called them to inquire about obtaining the CCTV footage, and over the phone they informed him the cameras are simply a deterent, and dont actually run or record anything. Genius, my brother...

Lol, cheers, ill get some pics up soon as I have some. Its Nurburgring blue, with matching interior and dash, really stood out amongst the colours, althou wouldnt have minded a black with red/black interior either Basically identical to this one, but with the steering wheel on the right of...

Well, after 7 months of 172 Cup ownership, it was time to move onto other things. Traded my Cup in for £9500 against an S2000, which I suppose is a bit of a result for the dealer, as I paid £12800 for it new, and it only had 9000 miles on it!! oh well.... Love the S2000!!! its everything I...

Im in Leicester this weekend, keep an eye out for a blue Cup, GD03, should be buzzing about town quite a bit.

The older style Teg I assume (98 - 2000)? Not a bad change, but not a step up really either. Tegs are good cars, and feel more planted than the Cup, due to how low they (and you) sit, also lots of fun using VTEC. The downsides are they look very dated, and werent great lookers to start with...

Ive got an 03 Cup, and really enjoy it. Its been a superb little car, does everything its supposed to, and the only issue Ive had in 8k miles is a clip on the windscreen wiper needing tightening. Id buy another Renault if they brought out anything that appealed more than the Cup, I do like the...

Lol, you are a true cynic, they probably do you know, thats really what makes the Cup so much quicker than a 172!! :D

I certainly didnt get the option, only optiong I got (and took) was the climate. They weigh more, so didnt get fitted to Cups, unless the very last models had them as an option?

Cheers, how did I guess the very expensive part!! Ill stop in at Renault tomorrow and bend over I guess.

King, surely the best ever hot hatch is the one you personally feel is the best ever hot hatch? who cares what some magazine guy thinks, if to him its the best, then good for him, but to get wound up about it is stupid. Ask any Civic Type-R driver, probably drove the Clio but thought the CTR...

I have a smashed front fog light which I need to replace, and was wondering whether fog lights on the Cup are just the normal ones you get on any other Clio? Dont want some Renault dealer telling me they are special Cup ones costing twice as much if theyre really not. Anyone know an approx...

You really want to shift at least a few hundred RPM above your max power, as max power should be in the middle of your range. In other words, say you shift at 6500RPM, then youll drop too low, and end up going slower, whereas if you shift above the max power, youll drop just below it again...

I suppose thats a point about the modding, but the other thing to consider is the ease and cost effectiveness of tuning a turbo car, so its potential is much greater than that of a Cup or CTR. I like the CTR, but for me it doesnt warrant the extra over a Cup. Mate has just bought a 04 one...

Seems my choice isnt all that unique!! New Integra Type-R, had the older shape ITR for a couple years, and was great, and like the look of the new one (old one was ugly, but went well). I just wish you didnt have to insure the new one as an import, as it gets stuck into group 20 because of it...

Never seen a black one before, look awesome judging from the pics!! nice buy. Are the interiors similar to the 172, or have they been done up as well? (as in dash, seats etc)

Regarding the Cup level of luxuries, they are pretty well specd. You have steering volume control, Climate control, CD player, interior is all there, so its not particullaly stripped out by any means. Theres not many mod cons youd miss I think, and you could always put a 6 disk changer in if...

When I pulled up in my Cup at work, everyone took the mik, said it is a gilrs car, and they still do!! I think they look well cool, specially from the front, quite aggressive, but I guess you can never get away from the fact its a Renault Clio, and in most peoples minds, theyre cars that girls...

Probably one of the new S series Lotus Elises, or the new A3 3.2 Quattro. 147GTA is also nice, and Id certainly test drive the new RX8. Do we get to test drive any of the cars wed like? or do we have to choose off what weve heard about them?

Done nearly 6k miles in mine, and no major faults. Had a windscreen wiper that needed tightening, but thats it, great little car.

Definitely sounds like cat materials. No real way of checking short of taking it to a MOT centre, and getting them to test emissions, or get the cat taken off, and seeing if its visably decaying. Cats do tend to go sometimes, you may find the cat materials basically came away inside the cat...

Only car I ever modded was the RX7 Type-R, my first turbo (actually, twin turbo) car. It had: Knightsports ECU (Knighsports are a top Japanese RX7 tuner) Knightsports Exhaust, including decat HKS Induction Kit HKS aluminium Intercooler and piping Volk Racing 17" wheels (with 255s on...