can anyone clear up something for me. I have a 106gti and my mates got a 1.8 16v clio. he wreckons he will blow me away no sweat, but I dont think so, although wreckon it would be close. Ive got a magnex system exhaust and an ecosse ram air filter, he just has a magnex system exhaust. he aint got the balls to put his money where his mouth is, so what do you lot think?
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106gti vs 1.8 16v
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can anyone clear up something for me. I have a 106gti and my mates got a 1.8 16v clio. he wreckons he will blow me away no sweat, but I dont think so, although wreckon it would be close. Ive got a magnex system exhaust and an ecosse ram air filter, he just has a magnex system exhaust. he aint got the balls to put his money where his mouth is, so what do you lot think?
Was a Clio 1.8 16v
Very close but with equal driving and both cars just having breathing mods then id say the 106GTi.
Yep as above so little difference between the performance, down to the driver imo
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Your gunna think i am biased but i would put my money on the clio.
Ive raced two 106 GTis and beat them both although not by that much! One i raced up to 120 i did put a fair gap between though!
Comes down to the driver and the car too! Is his valver good condition?
Itll be very very close so dont listen to him! Just go race and see cus it may go your way!
You wouldnt lose each other either! It will only be a samll gap at the best of times!
could go either way, depends on the condition on the valver with it being older. providing the valver is running sweet and is in proper tune it should be slightly quicker, but will start to pull in the height of 3rd imo. having said that their are some freak GTIs and VTS that will do some fast 1/4 miles, so will be very interesting to about 80-90mph but after these speeds the extra CC should come into play.
http://www.ecosse-peugeot.co.uk/products.asp?app=106&category=Enginehttp://www.ecosse-peugeot.co.uk/products.asp?app=106&category=Engine
clike on the ecosse ram one, may be "up to speeds" but still....
its very dependant on condition of car, and as everyone knows not all cars produce manufacturers quotes figures for power. In French cars its usually higher, so this may apply to both vehicles. Also power to weight is not the be all, as gearing comes into play, just like torque is not as much as issue at higher speeds as some make out (CTR is perfect example of decent gearbox and a fast motorway car will a relatively low torque figure). there are too many deciding factors, but from 1/4 miles of what people have got the VTS are usually slightly quicker than the valvers (not sure about 106gti, seems more varied in result), but these I think are with terminals around 80-90, which is where i would imagine seeing the vavler pull back or pull further away.
put em up side by side, if your m8s not game for TLGP then do some 2nd gear rolling starts at 30mph, then some 70mph 3rd gear starts etc, that will give you at least some idea of where the two cars are better performing.
and 14bhp from and IK... think their guestimates, either that or they put it on a Ferrari F40 and it gave it an extra 14bhp, in which case they can saw upto 14bhp extra. More likely to be about 4-6 at best.
[Edited by TheJesus on 10 May 2004 at 3:19pm]
his cars a m reg, good condition, well serviced, engine on 65k i think. so what 0 - 60 times are we talking?
7.7 book time, but 7.3 is more common for a loosened engine (which they all will be and more so!). people have got timed slips with 7.3 on completely standard valvers. should be pretty interesting, and even, the pug stats are pretty crap if I remember, 8odd secs to 60, but again, they should be able to achieve 7s easy as its basically the same as a VTS.
Ive beaten one before in my m plate valver.
As the speeds get higher the valver seems to pull. Off the lights there is nowt in it really.
Neither of you are gunna win though unless the speeds get above 80!
Nippy little motors!
ive never seen an official stat for the 106gti, every place I look the times vary from 7.1 - 8.4secs. does anyone know what stat peugoet gave the car when it was released? 7.3 for a standard 16v...thats better than what i thought, my pug must be runing 7.5 or less with the mods surely?
The official timing for the 106 Gti as stated by peugeot is 8.3 but we all know that ain t right!
Ive been in 1.8_16vs when he beaten one too and thats a stanadrd valver!
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not running a de-cat at the mo, thinking bout it but dunno if its worth the trouble if you get stopped for a roadside emissions test. would a chip, decat, new manifold and powerboost valve get the gti down in the high 6s? by the way im a 16v lover, but couldnt get one in good enough nick so had to go for the gti!!!
i beat a 106 i was racing only because the guy driving was getting the sh*t beat out of him by his gf and he slowed and i passed but that was after like 5 miles of twisties. there was nothing in it whatsoever i have to say my car runs sh*te at the best of times, think its one of them underspec production turkeys because its always been looked after.
Nothing in it and like has been said probably the 106 because the valvers are older and the gearing is different
was a pretty new 106 too
There are some very freaky 106 GTi/Saxo VTS cars out there. I think there was a period when they came with 130bhp AFAIK and even then it was a pretty conservative figure.
I had a serious look at about half a dozen 106 GTis when I sold my old 16V, but first of all the ones I looked at were tatty and then I grew to dislike them and bought a Williams instead!
Id definitely say that they would give a Valver a run off the mark, but the ones I drove (including the 130bhp ones) werent as keen to accelerate in 3rd and above. Although the Valver is always said to be a car with no low down torque, the 106 was worse I found. Id also say that they werent as stable on high speed corners and that the interior was a serious come-down after a leathered-up 16V. They are a smaller car mind.
The handling is lovely on a GTi around mini-roundabouts and very tight bends, but out on the bumpy B-roads the Valver had more stability and less of a tendency to throw out the rear. The damping is superior on the 16V IMO too.
Actually, they arent any more than 50kg lighter than a 16V (less than the difference between a 172 and a Cup), so I dont think they have a big advantage there.
Id say that the 106 and VTS are probably the Valvers spiritual successors - in terms of performance at least.
ooooooook i was well dead set on buying a Vavler a.s.a.p but knowing they are rare to find one in good knick and now finding out even with having a vavler im chances are 106GTi and VTS might piss on me....... i may have to have a re-think about my next car.
my mates vts tops out in 5th when im at the limiter in 4th! and his clock reads 140 there! how off! i changed up a gear and went! - lmao. and i annihalated it on the straights too. we were both impressed expectin them to be more equal. so i think its really down to french engines, maybe i have a good one, maybe he has a poo one? no one knows?
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