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Renault Laguna Coupe
different. 182 has that nice perforated alcantra - much nicer.
Renault Laguna Coupe
Dai - if you can get the 182 (or late 172) stuff Id go for it - its a lot nicer.
Pic of my 172 drivers seat. Leathers not smooth, but not exactly dimpled either!!
http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1098404392__P3120012.jpghttp://laingo.fotopic.net/p3252881.html
OK, I will tell you the full story !
I noticed some wear on my driver seat on the side wall closest the door. So I took it to Renault and mentioned it as a passing comment and they said that they would replace it ! Cool I thought !
Well....... I had this done yesterday and it seems to me that the driver side leather is different to the passenger side. The original leather is smooth whereas the new leather is dimpled, the only way I can describe it. Also, it is creased much more than my original seat skin.
What do I do ?
ello well yes i had mine replaced after about 20k and it needed doing again after about another 14k it will be more creased as it has been stuck in packet on a shelf then stretched over the seat frame aparantly its not easy to do but it does settle in a bit as for the leather affect mine was the same but it could be just down to a different batch of leather matey
lagerlout1s 172 interior :
http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1098446301__seats005.jpg
http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1098446317__seats006.jpg
It definitely looks different to the new leather.
Anybody with a 182 want to do the honours of some photos like above please ?
Well seeing as Ive spent the last 11 years of my life making Automotive leather for every manufactuer in the world, I should be well placed to answer
The leather in your car will age and deteriate with exposure to sunlight etc, therefore Renault will not be able to replace the leather and make it match completely. The colour of hides is controlled, to below DE 0,3 and at those specs the human eye would be hard pushed to spot a difference, If its a newer batch there is the possibilty it had been produced by a different Tannery, and may use different Pigments to the original, this may mean that the metamerism is different. Metamerism Is how the colour reacts under different light sources, E.G it may look ok in daylight (D65) but when viewed in an artifical light source ( A) one sample may appear a different colour to the other. The creases are due to the leather not being re-fitted correctly to your original seat, and it needs redoing. As for the colour, unless you buy a similar age seat, there is no way that Renault, can allow for weather and light deteriation.
Hope that helps, If you have any other questions please get in touch, LOL
Dave Walker, Key Account manager, leather industry, CPS COLOR.
[Edited by Dutch 172 on 22 October 2004 at 1:42pm]
So what you are saying is that they should put my old seat skin back on or replace the whole lot from the same batch ?Quote: Originally posted by Dutch 172 on 22 October 2004
Well seeing as Ive spent the last 11 years of my life making Automotive leather for every manufactuer in the world, I should be well placed to answer
The leather in your car will age and deteriate with exposure to sunlight etc, therefore Renault will not be able to replace the leather and make it match completely. The colour of hides is controlled, to below DE 0,3 and at those specs the human eye would be hard pushed to spot a difference, If its a newer batch there is the possibilty it had been produced by a different Tannery, and may use different Pigments to the original, this may mean that the metamerism is different. Metamerism Is how the colour reacts under different light sources, E.G it may look ok in daylight (D65) but when viewed in an artifical light source ( A) one sample may appear a different colour to the other. The creases are due to the leather not being re-fitted correctly to your original seat, and it needs redoing. As for the colour, unless you buy a similar age seat, there is no way that Renault, can allow for weather and light deteriation.
Hope that helps, If you have any other questions please get in touch
Dave Walker, Key Account manager, leather industry, CPS COLOR.
Nissan Jewk
so are they different?Quote: Originally posted by Dutch 172 on 22 October 2004
Well seeing as Ive spent the last 11 years of my life making Automotive leather for every manufactuer in the world, I should be well placed to answer
The leather in your car will age and deteriate with exposure to sunlight etc, therefore Renault will not be able to replace the leather and make it match completely. The colour of hides is controlled, to below DE 0,3 and at those specs the human eye would be hard pushed to spot a difference, If its a newer batch there is the possibilty it had been produced by a different Tannery, and may use different Pigments to the original, this may mean that the metamerism is different. Metamerism Is how the colour reacts under different light sources, E.G it may look ok in daylight (D65) but when viewed in an artifical light source ( A) one sample may appear a different colour to the other. The creases are due to the leather not being re-fitted correctly to your original seat, and it needs redoing. As for the colour, unless you buy a similar age seat, there is no way that Renault, can allow for weather and light deteriation.
Hope that helps, If you have any other questions please get in touch, LOL
Dave Walker, Key Account manager, leather industry, CPS COLOR.
[Edited by Dutch 172 on 22 October 2004 at 1:42pm]
Oh and I forgot, The leather on mine and yours ( l think there about the same age) is Nappa, which means it is milled to give the grain effect ( pattern) you see on the leather, it is possible that on the 182 they Emboss the leather to give it the same effect, that would make the hides different in appearance.
Not sure dude, theyve replaced the dodgy one, which is quite good of them, Is it a really severe difference? or subtle? See what they say, if you have any trouble with them, give me a shout, and Ill put together something for ya, bombarding the fcukers with a sh*t load of technical blurb, that might help.
Cheers mate.
http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1098446317__seats006.jpg
http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1098450770__seat.jpg
Different ?
Phoned Renault and they told me to bring the car back down to them and they will see what they can do. Pain in the arse tho cos the dealership I take it to is 45 mins away !
Ford Fiesta
i cant figure out how to get the pics going vertical rather than horizontal, but never mind.
The alcantara certainly is different something I wa snot aware of, the leather harder to tell really.
what about the V6 what does version does that come with?
as cocopops says if they come as one pack then it would seem you have the 172 covers, I take it this is the case and they dont get the leather and alcantara as different "parts"
