172 cup front track...

[Gray]

iirc the 172 cup from track is 20mm wider than a normal sport..

How is this acheived, what components give the extra width?!

 

[DannyR]

Longer driveshafts, different hubs, different steering rack.

Just buy 2 x 10mm Spacers

 

[Gaz_]

Turinis are a different offset

 

[Gray]

meeeh I know a local lad breaking a 172 cup.. Just curious

wishbones different, I was wanting them to build up a new
set, orange wishbones?!?!!

 

[Addz]

do it, girl

 

[DannyR]

Yea wishbones will be different too

 

[Gaz_]

Did you not see my post, its the wheels that give the extra track, or is this some sort of twilight zone?!

 

[Gray]

different Front ARB ?!

 

[Gray]

Did you not see my post, its the wheels that give the extra track, or is this some sort of twilight zone?!

Danny spreading his lies!!

hmmm I am confused now aarrrggghhh

 

[Gaz_]

Danny spreading his lies!!

hmmm I am confused now aarrrggghhh

I quote

20mm Track increase....... New wheel rim offset for greater cornering potential
3 Degrees castor angle increase
3mm (lol) lower
Higher front spring rates

 

[Henry]

what ET are the 172 rims?
Turinis are 38.5

 

[SkidMarx]

What bits has he got breaking mate?? Im After some bits, and you owe me a favour!

Have a word.

 

[Fred@BTM]

Did you not see my post, its the wheels that give the extra track, or is this some sort of twilight zone?!

nope!

20mm wider front, 10mm wider rear

the 172 cup has different front hubs and different rear stub axles

PLUS the wheel offset thing

 

[DannyR]

I was thinking of a Williams Thought it was a similiar thing! Lol! Sorry Kieran!

 

[Whiteley]

How are the hubs different Fred?

 

[Whiteley]

I was thinking of a Williams Thought it was a similiar thing! Lol! Sorry Kieran!

Williams uses the same hubs as a 16v.

 

[Gray]

What bits has he got breaking mate?? Im After some bits, and you owe me a favour!

Have a word.

He's sold a fair bit already, what you after mate?

 

[Gray]

nope!

20mm wider front, 10mm wider rear

the 172 cup has different front hubs and different rear stub axles

PLUS the wheel offset thing

I may grab the front hubs IF there avaliable

 

[Gaz_]

nope!

20mm wider front, 10mm wider rear

the 172 cup has different front hubs and different rear stub axles

PLUS the wheel offset thing

Really?!

Well you learn something new every day!

 

[Inferno]

I may grab the front hubs IF there avaliable

Wouldn't you need the drive shafts too if you did that?

 

[Fred@BTM]

yep, cup driveshafts are specific also

 

[SkidMarx]

Rear beam and stub axles mate, maybe a front subframe.

 

[LouisQ]

Dont forget Cup has no abs...

 

[Gray]

Meeh sack that idea off!!

But the wishbones will all be the same, yes?


Dave I'll see what the guy has got and give you a call

 

[LouisQ]

I have a full cup setup bar the driveshafts if anyone wants it

 

[f0xy]

I have 1 x 172 Cup hub, and 1 x Ph1 172 hub on mine at the moment, both are identical.......there is no difference at all.....My wheel definitely isnt sticking out further either...

Plus im running a cup driveshaft on the Ph1 172 hub side, and a 172 Ph1 driveshaft on the Cup hub, it all fits perfectly....

From my research on driveshafts (mainly because of issues whiteleys had) I found from physically comparing the different shafts myself (172 ph1, 172 ph2 and 172 cup) there were all the same length....only 182 was different because of the bearing on the back of the block...

The wishbones are the same dimensions too, from checking these at the same time. The only difference with those is some variants have different castor (positioning of the balljoint holes) it seems.....

 

[Gray]

I am popping into Renault today...

I will compare the part numbers / get them checked on the diags

 

[f0xy]

got them all in a spreadsheet on my PC at home with numbers and dimensions, if youve not got them later il post it up...

Also just remembered that ive got some 172 cup hubs in the garage, and ph1 hub with a shot bearing...if you want some comparison pics let me know...although there is nothing different.