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172 cup!



  saxo vts (want 172)
Hey guys, currently has a saxo vts which i love to bits and have made it a little minter however i just feel the need to move on. I have been looking at 172 cups for a while and this is the car i want, was a hard choice over the mk1 focus RS but i am still wanting to track my cars and crashing a RS will not be ideal.

just wondering what to look out for on them, the first thing that i will do will be a service from ktec, and the belts doing if not already done. Just any advice would be awesome cheers.

sneak picture of the vts in its former glory.

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Jamie

ClioSport Club Member
There is a full buyers guide if you pay your tenner.

Tbh, there's loads of things to have a sift through:

Rear shocks. Have they been replaced? Usually leak which makes the back end feel floaty. It's a standard fault and worth seeing if they've been replaced.

Exhausts are very heavy and to lead to breaking of the welds. Also as they're heavy mounts can wear leading to flex and exhaust blowing. If it's on the standard exhaust check that.

Check the rear wheel well. Any crash, at any speed into the rear leads to it being crumpled. Have a look. It should be creasless. However, you will see a big f**k off what looks like metal panel super glued down in the rear. That is normal.

Car should have had a cambelt done at 72k or 5 years. This is about a £500 job so you want it done or off the asking price.

Cups come in Cup spec so check all your usual features are still present. Cup splitter (could have smashed.) Renault Speedline Turinis. Rear Cup spoiler. Also the suspension is different but you'll have a hard time looking at that when viewing a car.

Engines can be lumpy on idle and sound a little rough. This is kind of normal. It's a tough one this as clearly you don't want to be buying a s**tter but they do sound a bit like that. Alot of the depahser pulleys have started to go of late. This is moderaltley expensive and symptoms are a loud whining noise and engine sounding poor.

Tyres are about £80 a pop dependant on what you want. So make sure all are legal.

Check to make sure the car is water tight and no dampness in the car especially behind the seats. I can't remember which car it is, maybe the 182 but the window seals can be s**t leading to condensation.

If you get a chance to cane it make sure there is a 5k kick. And limiter should be about 7.2k. It won't rev this high until engine is FULLY, ok the water temp is fully there. There is a few different rev limits dependant on engine temp. I think there is one about 6k maybe wrong as I've hit that one. Next is 6.5k, which I have hit a few times and finally the fully raised 7.2k. May take a while to reach temp as it's quite cautious. Clearly hitting the limiter may indicate if it's been chipped.

Lock the steering right to left to make sure there are no loud clunks from worn mounts. You can get a bit of 'extra' turn when pulling away. This is normal.

Pull away in 1st and 2nd and try to listen for squeeking or knocking. This will be worn engine or gearbox mounts. Another common fault. Not too much to fix.

Cups came in Mondial or Iceberg. Mondial is the most common.

These cars respond s**t to mods and run low on power on a RR too. 172bhp will fast become 160's on a print out. So if you have one from the previous owner and think the engines f**ked it's not, that's normal. Chip, exhaust etc etc gives no power. If someone is saying it's 190 etc that's crap.

Lastly, just drive the car. Make sure it's quite smooth and pulls well. Shouldn't be any flat spots but will take a while to wind up and get going. On 172's there isn't alot below the 5k.

Hit some pot holes and listen for clunks.

Cars dont tend to rust.

Not sure if the Cups were different but 2003 plate 172s come with ESP as an on off switch and 53 plates get cruise. May build that into if you want those extras.

Engine mileage isn't a problem. Loads of people on here with >100k engines and going well. So if you want a lower priced car with high miles this is fine. They don't implode.

Also, have a look at a few RS's. 172's as well. Look for all the items mentioned then this will give you some expereince in deciding what's a good one and bad one.

PS Cups don't have ABS. You may know this, you may not. I think it's one of it's major down falls as there was no point in leaving it off for the sake of a small bit of weight.

Other than that, if you buy a s**tten it's simply bad luck.
 
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The VTS/GTI are great cars! A 172 cup would be a nice upgrade, will be slightly better in the corners and slightly faster in a straight line not to mention they look a lot better. But dont expect it to be a HUGE upgrade.

Anyway theres not a whole lot to look out for really, just make sure its got a good service history and the usual.
 

keo

  Clio Trophy
i have had two 106 gti's before and imo they are more fun than my clio, but the clio is alot more stable and feels alot sterdier
 
  saxo vts (want 172)
thanks for all the help, yes my vts is great fun, however had saxo for 4 years now and getting really bored of them. So going to get a 172 cup. Performance wise much quicker than a gti/vts, i take it there is a lot more potential i hope
 
To be fair theres not much you can do to the engine to make it quicker. The VTS and GTI are so easy to get extra BHP.. e.g induction, good exhaust system and remap your looking at about 145-150bhp and at that power they pretty much keep up with a 172.

The only way to get massive gains out of a 172/182 is to throttle body it, Turbo or super charge it. which will cost a few grand to have done. You can do the usual, exhaust, induction and maybe a remap but your only looking at about an extra 5-10bhp with all that.
 

Sir_Dave

ClioSport Trader
Dont expect a 172 cup to be any faster than a vts with mani, exhaust & ramcooler below 90... you may know my saxo project if you're on sax-p ...

A cup is a good upgrade, modern vts if you ask me :D
 
I'm still glad I chose the Cup over a 172.

They have to be revved to get the most out of them, but are good little cars for little money these days.
 
  Hyundai i40
Dont expect a 172 cup to be any faster than a vts with mani, exhaust & ramcooler below 90... you may know my saxo project if you're on sax-p ...

A cup is a good upgrade, modern vts if you ask me :D

totally agree with this man. dont expect too much out of the performance, they handle well tho, also more top end

i totally agree with the clio is a modern vts i went from a 106 gti to a short stint with a golf then to the 172. it felt the right step to go 106 to clio.
 

ForceIndia

ClioSport Club Member
  Gentlemans spec 200
Check insurance before buying. Some companies won't cover the cup. Personally, especially if tracking it, a ph1 172 would be a cheaper option, and better if you add some decent coilovers. Nigh on the same weight, but you keep abs (and ac if that matters), far better throttle response (cable setup) and the engines respond better to tuning (several tuners on here have said they usually get slightly higher gains on the ph1's, no idea why).
I was faced with a similar choice and after a couple of years tinkering, it ended up as this
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  saxo vts (want 172)
i can get insured on the 172, yes sir dave i no ya. my friend collect the saxsport and now hates it as it to loud lol.

Yes i am trying to find a silver 172 cup, i not expecting it to be hugely faster than a vts but it wont be staying standard long, only being 15mins from ktec
 
  Westy. MX5
You'll have problems finding a Silver, Iceberg Cup but plenty of Blue, Mondial ones out there. There are traders that are advertising "Cups" for sale that clearly are not, The genuine ones have cloth seats , no a/c no rear head restraints, 2 rear seat belts and as above Turini alloys and splitter. The label in the drivers door shut should have SLI printed on it as well. Plenty off pointers in this thread for you to spot the Cups. Price wise £1500 will get you a tatty one and best go for up to £4000.
 
There is a full buyers guide if you pay your tenner.

Tbh, there's loads of things to have a sift through:

Rear shocks. Have they been replaced? Usually leak which makes the back end feel floaty. It's a standard fault and worth seeing if they've been replaced.

Exhausts are very heavy and to lead to breaking of the welds. Also as they're heavy mounts can wear leading to flex and exhaust blowing. If it's on the standard exhaust check that.

Check the rear wheel well. Any crash, at any speed into the rear leads to it being crumpled. Have a look. It should be creasless. However, you will see a big f**k off what looks like metal panel super glued down in the rear. That is normal.

Car should have had a cambelt done at 72k or 5 years. This is about a £500 job so you want it done or off the asking price.

Cups come in Cup spec so check all your usual features are still present. Cup splitter (could have smashed.) Renault Speedline Turinis. Rear Cup spoiler. Also the suspension is different but you'll have a hard time looking at that when viewing a car.

Engines can be lumpy on idle and sound a little rough. This is kind of normal. It's a tough one this as clearly you don't want to be buying a s**tter but they do sound a bit like that. Alot of the depahser pulleys have started to go of late. This is moderaltley expensive and symptoms are a loud whining noise and engine sounding poor.

Tyres are about £80 a pop dependant on what you want. So make sure all are legal.

Check to make sure the car is water tight and no dampness in the car especially behind the seats. I can't remember which car it is, maybe the 182 but the window seals can be s**t leading to condensation.

If you get a chance to cane it make sure there is a 5k kick. And limiter should be about 7.2k. It won't rev this high until engine is FULLY, ok the water temp is fully there. There is a few different rev limits dependant on engine temp. I think there is one about 6k maybe wrong as I've hit that one. Next is 6.5k, which I have hit a few times and finally the fully raised 7.2k. May take a while to reach temp as it's quite cautious. Clearly hitting the limiter may indicate if it's been chipped.

Lock the steering right to left to make sure there are no loud clunks from worn mounts. You can get a bit of 'extra' turn when pulling away. This is normal.

Pull away in 1st and 2nd and try to listen for squeeking or knocking. This will be worn engine or gearbox mounts. Another common fault. Not too much to fix.

Cups came in Mondial or Iceberg. Mondial is the most common.

These cars respond s**t to mods and run low on power on a RR too. 172bhp will fast become 160's on a print out. So if you have one from the previous owner and think the engines f**ked it's not, that's normal. Chip, exhaust etc etc gives no power. If someone is saying it's 190 etc that's crap.

Lastly, just drive the car. Make sure it's quite smooth and pulls well. Shouldn't be any flat spots but will take a while to wind up and get going. On 172's there isn't alot below the 5k.

Hit some pot holes and listen for clunks.

Cars dont tend to rust.

Not sure if the Cups were different but 2003 plate 172s come with ESP as an on off switch and 53 plates get cruise. May build that into if you want those extras.

Engine mileage isn't a problem. Loads of people on here with >100k engines and going well. So if you want a lower priced car with high miles this is fine. They don't implode.

Also, have a look at a few RS's. 172's as well. Look for all the items mentioned then this will give you some expereince in deciding what's a good one and bad one.

PS Cups don't have ABS. You may know this, you may not. I think it's one of it's major down falls as there was no point in leaving it off for the sake of a small bit of weight.

Other than that, if you buy a s**tten it's simply bad luck.


Worn mounts where ?

And clunks from where ?
Track Rod ends ?
Wishbones ?

I just thought i would ask before anyone else does.
 

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
Nah..... Cup all the way for me!

The only thing i wished it had recently was AC (which some later 53plate ones did). Only as its been so dam hot. The other 10 months of the year its mint. Looks the best, goes the best, most tend to make good power stock (lack of ac helps).........
 
  saxo vts (want 172)
i have seen some low mile ones for 5k but though that was a bit steep. i will be willing to pay 4.5k aslong as it mint with really low miles
 
  Clio 172 ph2
There is a full buyers guide if you pay your tenner.

Tbh, there's loads of things to have a sift through:

Rear shocks. Have they been replaced? Usually leak which makes the back end feel floaty. It's a standard fault and worth seeing if they've been replaced.

Exhausts are very heavy and to lead to breaking of the welds. Also as they're heavy mounts can wear leading to flex and exhaust blowing. If it's on the standard exhaust check that.

Check the rear wheel well. Any crash, at any speed into the rear leads to it being crumpled. Have a look. It should be creasless. However, you will see a big f**k off what looks like metal panel super glued down in the rear. That is normal.

Car should have had a cambelt done at 72k or 5 years. This is about a £500 job so you want it done or off the asking price.

Cups come in Cup spec so check all your usual features are still present. Cup splitter (could have smashed.) Renault Speedline Turinis. Rear Cup spoiler. Also the suspension is different but you'll have a hard time looking at that when viewing a car.

Engines can be lumpy on idle and sound a little rough. This is kind of normal. It's a tough one this as clearly you don't want to be buying a s**tter but they do sound a bit like that. Alot of the depahser pulleys have started to go of late. This is moderaltley expensive and symptoms are a loud whining noise and engine sounding poor.

Tyres are about £80 a pop dependant on what you want. So make sure all are legal.

Check to make sure the car is water tight and no dampness in the car especially behind the seats. I can't remember which car it is, maybe the 182 but the window seals can be s**t leading to condensation.

If you get a chance to cane it make sure there is a 5k kick. And limiter should be about 7.2k. It won't rev this high until engine is FULLY, ok the water temp is fully there. There is a few different rev limits dependant on engine temp. I think there is one about 6k maybe wrong as I've hit that one. Next is 6.5k, which I have hit a few times and finally the fully raised 7.2k. May take a while to reach temp as it's quite cautious. Clearly hitting the limiter may indicate if it's been chipped.

Lock the steering right to left to make sure there are no loud clunks from worn mounts. You can get a bit of 'extra' turn when pulling away. This is normal.

Pull away in 1st and 2nd and try to listen for squeeking or knocking. This will be worn engine or gearbox mounts. Another common fault. Not too much to fix.

Cups came in Mondial or Iceberg. Mondial is the most common.

These cars respond s**t to mods and run low on power on a RR too. 172bhp will fast become 160's on a print out. So if you have one from the previous owner and think the engines f**ked it's not, that's normal. Chip, exhaust etc etc gives no power. If someone is saying it's 190 etc that's crap.

Lastly, just drive the car. Make sure it's quite smooth and pulls well. Shouldn't be any flat spots but will take a while to wind up and get going. On 172's there isn't alot below the 5k.

Hit some pot holes and listen for clunks.

Cars dont tend to rust.

Not sure if the Cups were different but 2003 plate 172s come with ESP as an on off switch and 53 plates get cruise. May build that into if you want those extras.

Engine mileage isn't a problem. Loads of people on here with >100k engines and going well. So if you want a lower priced car with high miles this is fine. They don't implode.

Also, have a look at a few RS's. 172's as well. Look for all the items mentioned then this will give you some expereince in deciding what's a good one and bad one.

PS Cups don't have ABS. You may know this, you may not. I think it's one of it's major down falls as there was no point in leaving it off for the sake of a small bit of weight.

Other than that, if you buy a s**tten it's simply bad luck.

Thats a good mini-buyers guide!

I fancied a cup as i like the Blue ones but also like my creature comforts (namely ABS, aircon and xenons) so went for the std 172
 
  Titanium 182
I've been looking for the right Cup for the last few months, but compared to my last 172 nothing was as thoroughly clean and looked after. Finding one with decent service history and a good price seemed hard so I ended up settling on buying another fatty (Clio 182).

Keep looking and when you find a nice one you won't regret it!

Thats a good mini-buyers guide!

I fancied a cup as i like the Blue ones but also like my creature comforts (namely ABS, aircon and xenons) so went for the std 172

Agreed, top work Jamie!
 

Jamie

ClioSport Club Member
Nae worries. Don't want to see someone buy a shitter. Best thing to do is to see as many as you can though.
 


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