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172 or GTI-6





Hi all,

Just about to get back from my travels and will be getting a car asap. I was intending to get a MK2 172 but having spent a bit more than I intended whilst away and the fact we need a new kitchen I am looking at getting a 306 GTI6. They are almost half the price and only a bit older and if you look hard enough low mileagers can be found. How do the two compare in performance and handling, I wouldnt imagine the pug to be too far behind the clio, do they respond well to mods???? Also, how much of a step up after a 16v are they as I had one of those last and loved it and dont want to go backwards! My uncle is also a mechanic at peugeot too so that would come in handy!!

Mike.
 

leeds_182

North Yorkshire & Humber
ClioSport Area Rep


Alright mate - my mate gots a 306 gti 6 on a W plate.Since buying he has gone for full magnex system, 17" venoms, viper induction kit, super chip and power valve and is now putting out 187 bhp at the fly IIRC.It seems to keep up with my 182 pretty well despite weighing about 42 tonnes. Heres a piccy anyways........................

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1100718996__182vsgti6.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1100718996__182vsgti6.jpg


[Edited by James on 2/24/2005 7:58:13 AM]http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1109228968__306gti.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1109228968__306gti.jpg
 


The 306 GTi is apparently right up there with the Williams...

...oh hang on a sec, why dont you just get the real McCoy?;)

If you want any specific and totally impartial advice from a 16V, Williams and Ph2 172 owner drop me a PM.
 


Ive owned both. The GTI-6 is an amazing car! Last of the old school hot hatch, if they still made them now i would have one, on the right road (when its dry) you cant get any better. It would keep up with my 172 on the bends, On the straight the clio will pull a couple of car lengths. I tried to find another good one before i got the clio but they where all shabby, there near and far between - be prepared to travel a long way to get a good one. Go for the pug!
 
  E91 M Sport


Have you considered an Ford Racing Puma? ok, so its as expensive as the 172, but its more fun to drive and it will hardly depreciate at all. If you test drive one, you will be hooked!
 
  Remapped derv Golf


i Believe GTi6s have crap fuel econ (around town low 20s) compared to 172s which can muster 32mpg around town.

Cracking cars to drive though and now cheap (like the budgie)
 
  Sinclair C5


gti-6 looking quite dated in my opinion :confused:

Know someone whos selling a low miler gti-6 if anyones interested in Derbyshire
 

Lee

  BMW M2C


I loved my GTi-6 and considered it to be a lot better than the 172 to drive. Pretty much on par with the 182 with Cup packs, although not as quick but possibly slightly better handling.

Fuel economy sucked on it.

Getting a bit old now, which is why when I lost my company car in 2003 I didnt go back to the 6 and instead went for a 172 and then a 182.

If you can find a good one its a cracking car.
 
  Clio 200 Cup packed


Quote: Originally posted by Adie on 24 February 2005


Ive owned both. The GTI-6 is an amazing car! Last of the old school hot hatch, if they still made them now i would have one, on the right road (when its dry) you cant get any better. It would keep up with my 172 on the bends, On the straight the clio will pull a couple of car lengths. I tried to find another good one before i got the clio but they where all shabby, there near and far between - be prepared to travel a long way to get a good one. Go for the pug!





totally agree, STUNNING car!

my 1999 gti6 was truely great , and if they made em today id have one no doubt.

much better build quality than my 182, but it was nearly 20k when new, i got mine 18 month old for about 12k.
 


Cheers people, I know it doesnt really stand out like the 16v/williams but its still a good looking car and is dirt cheap for the spec/performance I think. Like I say, cant afford the 172 now so thought this may be a good substitute, and they seem to respond well to mods which should be a touch as I know someone to do them all!!!! I saw a 1999/2000 on autotrader in silver on 25,000 approx miles for around 4,500 grand but sods law its not there now!!! Any other ideas for the spec and price??

Mike.
 


Cheers mate but I meant any other ideas for cars in the 4500-5000 GBP bracket to keep up with a 172, my best idea is the GTI-6??
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Ive had both a 306 Rallye and a 306 GTi-6, as well as a Clio Cup... so Im in quite a good position to comment... ;)

Went from a 306 Rallye, to a Clio Cup, to a Civic Type-R and now back to a 306 GTi-6, as you can probably tell by owing 2 306s I like them! Needed to get a cheaper car for a while, so was looking for something cheap to run for a while that was still fun, and I picked up my current 306 for under £3k and its a cracker too, not an old shed!



The 172 will be a little quicker in a straight line, the Rallyes quite close to the mk2 172 in fact, the GTi-6 a little further off, but reallistically theres not much between all 3 once on the move. If anything the 306 is stronger at higher speeds due to the 6 speed box, but the longer 1st & 2nd gear hamper is slighty off the line.

To drive the Clio "feels" quicker, this is due to it being smaller, lighter, closer gearing (initially) and theres a quite a definate change at 5000rpm when the power comes in. The 306 is a wider power band, feels very torquey and is a different delivery. Initially quite long on the gearing, once in 3rd it gets very close and you keep going & going.

Handling wise, the 172 is very good, but the 306 is even better, really communicative steering, very controlable on the limit and has passive rear steering, theyre a joy to drive. I went from a CTR back to a cheap P-Reg GTi-6 and the 306 knocks spots off the Civic in terms of driver reward!

The build quaility although not like a Jap or German motor is better than my Clio was, in fact this 8 year old GTi-6 is more reliable than my brand new Cup was!? :confused:

Specs are pretty similar, leather & alcantara, electrics, climate, rain sensing wipers, ABS, PAS, alarm & immobiliser, CD player, etc... the mk2 172 has a few extra toys, like Xenons or ESP (later cars), so you dont get quite as much in the Pug, but it has got 6 gears!

Someone mentioned fuel economy above, and yes they are worse than the Clio on juice, its an older engine design, no tricks like VVT to help out there, and its also a larger heavier car than the Clio, however I average mid/upper 20s going to work & back, not hanging around, and can get 37mpg on a motorway run, so theyre not that bad.

The 306 is a class above the Clio in size terms though, its a bigger car, so more room and can seat adults in the back comfortably, not squashed in there, plus has a massive boot.



My current one is the rarer Phase 1 (old shape) GTi-6 which has less toys than the newer shape cars and weighs less, in fact its pratically the same weight as the Rallye but with some of the toys. Not got aircon, only a drivers airbag, no auto wipers, etc... but I aint bothered about this. Goes well though, needs a few bits of jobs here & there to get it A1 but Ive had it nearly 5 months now and loving it.



If you can find a mint late model GTi-6 with good miles, FSH and standard(ish) then you wont regret it... but, you wont regret buying a 172 either...

Id take a trip over to http://www.306gti6.comwww.306gti6.com for their opinions as naturally a Clio forum will tend to favour the Clio and the 306 forum will tend to favour the 306, so hear both sides of the story.

The other thing Id recommend is to look at & drive both of them...
 


very good report on them ^^^^ but obviously this forum aint as biased as it looks as alot of people on here have said get the 306. i personaly think they are far better looking cars and its cool having a 6speed box
 

Lee

  BMW M2C


If they still made the 306 I would have it over my 182.

BTW, if anyone buys S343 LRP, a black 98 GTi-6 let me know Id love to know where she ended up.
 
  tiTTy & SV650


Quote: Originally posted by Adamf on 24 February 2005

Is the gti6 lump a tarted up mi16?
I dont think so, its a 2.0 16v, not a 1.9 16v

I think itll be more modern, cause gti 6 wasnt around till 96 or 97?! before that was s16s which were 2.0 16v 5 speed.

Pugs used to make great hot hatches, 205gti 106gti and 306gti 6 shame about 206, 307 etc...
 
  tiTTy & SV650


Quote: Originally posted by miketheman2k on 24 February 2005

Have you considered an Ford Racing Puma? ok, so its as expensive as the 172, but its more fun to drive and it will hardly depreciate at all. If you test drive one, you will be hooked!
I must admit I really like the wide arches on the racing pumas, theyre not exactly quick though... and few and far between.




[Edited by rory182 on 24 February 2005 at 9:08pm]
 
  172 cup


I have a 306 Xsi (for sale at the mo) and i just got my 172 cup a few days ago. Although i havent owned a gti-6 ive been in one, and being a 306 owner for the last few years i have to say that if i had less to spend than what i did on my cup id seriously consider a gti-6. May not be as quick as a 172 on paper, but theyre bigger cars and handle just about as well as anything else out there. A true classic. Just a shame peugeot decided to stop making them and replace them with the god-awful 307.

Inside 306s are starting to show their age, but on the outside id still say the 306 is one of the best looking cars around, and theres a ton of mods available for them.
 
  E91 M Sport


Quote: Originally posted by rory182 on 24 February 2005


Quote: Originally posted by miketheman2k on 24 February 2005

Have you considered an Ford Racing Puma? ok, so its as expensive as the 172, but its more fun to drive and it will hardly depreciate at all. If you test drive one, you will be hooked!
I must admit I really like the wide arches on the racing pumas, theyre not exactly quick though... and few and far between.


[Edited by rory182 on 24 February 2005 at 9:08pm]
Theyre not exactly slow either, theyre only 10bhp down on the GTI-6, and I know from B-road blasts with rmmcardal (182) that there isnt much in it unless the road is straight (and therefore boring).

Youre right though, not too many around now. Theyre such an amazing drive, but youll have to pay the extra for it!
 
  tiTTy & SV650


zetecs are nice engines too, free revving, fiesta base that the puma is on is remarkebly good too. What is the racing puma engine? I take it its a tuned 1.7 zetec? or is it a 1.8 or 2.0?
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Quote: Originally posted by Adamf on 24 February 2005



Is the gti6 lump a tarted up mi16?
It is related yes... but there are quite a lot of changes....

The engine in the 306 S16 was closer to the original Mi16 unit.
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 24 February 2005




If they still made the 306 I would have it over my 182.
Thats a bold statement... I knew you really liked your GTi-6 but not that much...

Shame all the best Pug hot hatches seem to have been & gone! :cry:
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Quote: Originally posted by m4rk on 24 February 2005

very good report on them ^^^^ but obviously this forum aint as biased as it looks as alot of people on here have said get the 306. i personaly think they are far better looking cars and its cool having a 6speed box
Yeah, quite a few ex 306 owners on here, so a nice unbiased view so far...

I bet the 306 lot aint as kind towards the Clio though! :oops:
 


I have got a 306XSi and it handles very well, not as nimble as my 182 but fast enough and a good road tool all the same. It is underpowred for its chassis abiltiy so I couldnt hesitate in saying a 6 is bound to rock


edit : being an 8v, my Xsi has bags of low down torque, and often pulls off roundabouts in low gears better than my 182.


[Edited by Roy Munson on 2/24/2005 10:40:21 PM]
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Feel the 306 love in da house... :cool:



I love my 306s, but I also miss the Cup and its brutal low gear power delivery sometimes!
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Quote: Originally posted by Topper182 on 24 February 2005



I would like to know where my Black GTI-6 is now, R69 KFR it was a great car that .... ,
Again... ask on the 306 forum mate, could be on there!
 
  E91 M Sport


Quote: Originally posted by rory182 on 24 February 2005

zetecs are nice engines too, free revving, fiesta base that the puma is on is remarkebly good too. What is the racing puma engine? I take it its a tuned 1.7 zetec? or is it a 1.8 or 2.0?
Yes, a tuned 1.7 - 153bhp as standard, but its such a flexible engine and sounds fantastic - proper sl*g pops and bangs!

(and BenR will make it 200bhp if you ask ;))
 


Thanks for the replies everyone, very helpful and no one has said that a 172 would embarrass a gti-6 which is refreshing!! Looks like it will be a great alternative to the 172, Ill just have to get saving for a 182 eventually!! Does the 306 respond to breathing mods as well as the 106, Ive read that with an exhaust + filter the 106 flies, just wondering if the same applies to the GTI-6??

Mike.
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Quote: Originally posted by mike on 25 February 2005


Does the 306 respond to breathing mods as well as the 106, Ive read that with an exhaust + filter the 106 flies, just wondering if the same applies to the GTI-6??
They do go well with a few mods... zorst, filter, de-cat, etc... plenty of stuff available!
 

Lee

  BMW M2C


Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 24 February 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 24 February 2005 If they still made the 306 I would have it over my 182.
Thats a bold statement... I knew you really liked your GTi-6 but not that much...Shame all the best Pug hot hatches seem to have been & gone! :cry:


It could be a case of the old rose tinted specs, but I dont remember anything about the 306 which got on my nerves. It was the car I dreamt of owning and did and it lived up to all Id read.

I think what gives it the edge for me is that its a larger car than the Clio yet handles like a car much smaller.

Still, I love my 182. Such entertainment for so little cash.
 


"Does the 306 respond to breathing mods as well as the 106, Ive read that with an exhaust + filter the 106 flies, just wondering if the same applies to the GTI-6??"



LOL I had a saxo vts (same engine) and with a zorst N filter the 106 gti sounds like they fly but they really dont compared to a 172/182.
 

Rich-D

ClioSport Club Member
  E90 LCI 330d


Quote: Originally posted by mrk1 on 25 February 2005


LOL I had a saxo vts (same engine) and with a zorst N filter the 106 gti sounds like they fly but they really dont compared to a 172/182.
The 1/4 mile times of a modded VTS/GTi aint far off the 172 and in some cases (Craggy) just as quick!
 


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