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172 Tarmac Rally Car



  172 Rally Car
Ok first project thread!

The plan

The idea is to build a rally spec clio on a reasonable budget.

The first job was to find a part finished car, finish it and add the motorsport tweeks so i bought this:

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Not a bad starting point, Not perfect and needed alot of work but what i liked about it was the spec:

Speedline 2118s 15"x7" ET 38

Leda Coilovers

172 Cup Racer Roll Cage

OMP Steering Wheel and Boss

Compbrake big brake kit (we shall see what it is like)

The other bits on it that were not at the spec i wanted could be sold .

On getting this car home it started be become apparent that some of the work was not really of the standard that i would want to strap myself to and do some of the fastest rallys in the UK. It had some issues with the way the X door bar had been moved (poor welding) also its a phase 1 with a phase 2 front end badly fitted so that needed sorting too, put that together with the amount of finishing work that needed doing ( lots of parts missing and no logbook) and it was a mammoth job

I dont have any pictures of taking it to bits but it will all become irrelevant anyway!


So half way through taking it apart and putting it together in the way that would fit its new purpose, i started to collect bits to reassemble it when the time came. surfing the CS sale threads i came across a "Iceberg Ph2 172 breaking" thread started by .Kev. , i wanted the body kit to sort out the mangled kit i bought with the white car but i ended up buying the whole car including the engine for the princely sum of about £250!


Bonus! no figuring out what parts were missing and where they go ,no messing with the front end or having to get the car vosa checked as it was a cat c with no log book!

After alot of messing about and patience from .kev. i got the car deliverd using shiply (great service if you need something moving)

No pictures of it arriving but hey!

The rebuild

now i had a car that i knew went together i could start fitting the fancy bits from the white car:

Cage
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I made it a single door bar on both sides to get rid of the botched welding then painted it in smooth silver hammerite ( good match for iceburg )

Relocated the fuse board

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Ran in the braided brake and fuel lines

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fitted the battery isolator

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Pull cables and cut off buttons

Inside

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Outside

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BL**DY MSA FUEL SAMPLEING DRY BRAKE EXPENSIVE PIECE OF ******* ( I had an argument with the msa man at the autosport show about this so overkill for club motorsport!) (rant over)

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Suspension

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Front Brakes

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Re routed the rear brake lines and bypassed the proportioning valve

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And thats how it looks now on the 28/05/12

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Now all i have left is to fit the seats, windows, foot rests , door cards and im done!

Then its setup time!


Big thanks to .kev. and everyone else who has helped out



Cheers for reading !
 

shiftspark

ClioSport Club Member
  R53 GR86
Always good to see more rally cars, none of this round in circles stuff :p What events do you plan to do with it ?
 
  172 Rally Car
Well I need to do some testing with it and get the setup sorted then look at otterburn or eypnt
 
  Clio172cup rally car
Looks good mate!:) I've just finished mine too, hoping to do epynt in the near future, will be nice to see a few clios up there
 
  clio cup race car
no not yet , too early , they are out for the mini epynt on 10th June , I'm doing Abingdon that day , then Caerwent 2 weeks later
 
  BMW 330ci sp/ 172Cup
Great start to a project!

I remember seeing the white "car" for sale when we were looking for our track car. Didn't go and see it in the end as we thought there was too much to finish off on it and I was new to Clio's at the time.

Keep the updates coming - look forward to seeing it progress :)
 
  172 Rally Car
The incompleteness was the biggest problem really, there were so many parts missing and others not attached it was like building a Lego model without the instructions! So getting hold of the silver car was a great piece of luck
 
  172 Rally Car
Quick update

Not got a huge amount more done really, been busy at work and the naff weather hasnt helped!

But..

I have got my dash back from suffolk flocking services (try saying that after a few!)

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Fitted

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I also had time to fit the seats...

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And thats all for now!

Anyone got any recommendations on rear spring lengths VS ride height? I have some very short (4.5") 400lb springs on the rear that look like they might drop out if the back end lifts off the ground?
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Doug does fantastic work, I thought he had wound down the flocking side of his business though so Im glad to hear he is back doing it again :)
 
  172 Rally Car
Really pleased with the dash, brilliant finish to it.The White car will be scrapped when the Silver one is built
 
  172 Rally Car
It will be getting scrapped, the only thing it had going for it was the colour apart from that it was going to be a pain


Thanks for the replys chaps
 
  260% JCW
Don't get on here much now but i'll be back more often now i've seen this. :coffee:

Fantastic start mate, i'm so glad to see the old girl go to a good home and go down the route i wanted to take her. Keep up the good work!

Kev
 
  172 Rally Car
Ok so this turned out to be the worst project thread in history!

Its now finished! so photo dump time!


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Right i will get round to doing a write up on each pic - its taken me 30 mins just to upload!

I thought i would sneak a pic of the old 205 in at the end!

Im off testing this weekend at curborough so we will see how it get on!
 
  172 Rally Car
So i finally got round to using the car! its taken me alot longer than i imagined but has been worth it!

The car went very well at curborough - no breakdowns! Its surprisingly quick for a standard car its possible it has had a remap at some point?

Only thing i have to report is under-steer, it really didn't want to turn in so i think im going to add some more neg camber as well as lower and soften the shocks slightly at the front.

Couple of pics:

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Woznaldo

ClioSport Club Member
  Renault 5 GT Turbo
Whats your overall set up atm ie, camber front and rear, toe front and rear, front to rear rake?

As Tony as already asked above, we ned to know what you are running now to offer advice. That said, softening the front will help as will adding a bit more negative camber, and better still, some more castor. Also, don't discount how important the rear is. Rear toe can help to loosen the rear which will help the car turn.
 
  172 Rally Car
Off the top of my head ( I have it written down at home, but I'm currently out of the country)

Front has 2mm toe out and 1.5 degrees negative camber

Rear is standard

Rake I think was about 10 - 20mm nose down (I'm not sure about that though)

I did increase the stiffness of the rear shocks to try to force the nose round, it did help but I could start to feel the rear moving on the fast corners

Cheers guys!
 
  182cup & 172 racecar
I think you need to mess with the rear end a little, a slight toe out will improve turn in, don't go mad though. .5 deg will make a difference.
 
  172 Rally Car
Theres no mention of a rear arb. Maybe fitting one of these http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=3960&appid=2 would help a fair bit?


I do have an ARB to fit but i don't really want to go throwing components at a problem that setup might fix, IMO steady incremental improvement is the way forward to get the car to suit my style. (all the gear no idea?)

i could slat the ARB on and it mask a more fundamental problem
 
  182cup & 172 racecar
Would you do this on its own?

To start with, yes. Never do more than one thing at once. Did you take tyre temps? as this would tell you more.

​Maybe a little rear camber is needed as well. But one thing at a time.

What size wheels are you using?
 
  172 Rally Car
I didn't, should have done really but with it being as short as curborough is i didn't think it was really worth it.

That's my theory too - that way i have half a chance of understanding whats going on.

How would i go about running camber and toe at the same time? can you run two shims at once in opposite directions?

15's with 195/50 profile
 


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