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172bhp at wheels or flywheel?!?!



C

clio172cup20

Hi all,
I have a Clio 172 Cup 52 reg, just a quick question, is the car 172bhp at the wheels or 172bhp at the Flywheel...?

Many thanks
L
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
well.. to be reallly technical:

172 actually stands for PS

172 PS = 169.644 BHP

If you go for losses of 20%

169.644 BHP at the fly = 135.7152 BHP at the wheels
 
  RB 200 Cup!
there is a solution to this - take off your wheels - the car will now have 172bhp and have the ability to fly - woooooo
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
PS

This unit (German: Pferdestärke = horse strength) is no longer a lawful unit, but is still commonly used in Europe, South America and Japan, especially by the automotive and motorcycle industry. It was adopted throughout continental Europe with designations equivalent to the English "horse power", but mathematically different from the British unit. It is defined by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB)[1] in Braunschweig as exactly:
1 PS = 75 kp·m/s = 0.73549875 kW = 0.9863201652997627 hp (SAE) The PS was adopted by the Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) and then by the automotive industry throughout most of Europe, and is always measured at the wheels, as opposed to most factory horsepower figures, which are rated at the crank (which is measured right off the motor, not accounting to any drivetrain loss, which is especially considerable in an All wheel Drive configuration).
In the 19th century, the French did not use this German unit, but had their own, the Poncelet. In 1992, the PS was rendered obsolete by EEC directives, when it was replaced by the kilowatt as the official power measuring unit, but it continued to be used for commercial and advertising purposes, as customers were not familiar with the use of kilowatts for combustion engines.
 
C

clio172cup20

Yeah !!! It does sound a bit depressing!!!
So, for example, the Fiesta ST150 is 150 at the fly and 120bhp at the wheels?!?
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
yeah, thats maximum losses tho, its hard to be truely acurate but most people will say between 15 and 20%.

i always chose 20% as its worse case senario!

*soz for the shite spelling!
 
Is the same true for the dci 80 engine then? It has near enough 80 bhp at the flywheel, therefore 68bhp at the wheels??

Thanks.
 


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