182 cup on auto trader :- anybody know this car

[AlfaDan]

Not sure where to post this but here goes . Currently looking for a Clio 172 cup, having increased my budget this 182 cup has crept into budget .
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...del=CLIO&postcode=ne100bg&make=RENAULT&page=1

Iv spoke with the owner, he hasn't had it long, although he's had the gearbox reconed , new clutch etc . No proof of belts/dephaser being done but did say the previous owner claimed they'd been done around the 50kmile mark .
Just wondering if anybody knows the car

Regards

Dan

Ps sorry to the mods if Iv posted in the wrong place

 

[imprezaworks]

Don't know of the car but looks nice in the pics.

Fastest colour which is allways a win.

 

[AlfaDan]

Going to arrange a viewing at the weekend, MOT check reveals it failed it's MOT June 13th for ball joints excessive play and lights not working , but work must of been carried out as it passed the same day .
Guy in the phone sounded honest enough, bought as a track toy, crunched into gears when he bought it etc , spent a bit of coin getting it sorted , I guess the worry is the belts

 

[MRBILLYUK]

Looks a very tidy example . Personally I think it's a little strong money considering its the poverty spec 182 , no proof of belts and no mention of having a 2nd key . Offer him £2200 and see what he says . If you don't ask you don't get :tonguewink:

 

[mossyv6]

Looks nice but please bare in mind the cambelt does still need doing - yes it has been done on 50k but that would be 2012 so needs doing.

Mot history looks ok - had a bit of a failure list but nothing major and all done.

 

[AlfaDan]

Looks a very tidy example . Personally I think it's a little strong money considering its the poverty spec 182 , no proof of belts and no mention of having a 2nd key . Offer him £2200 and see what he says . If you don't ask you don't get :tonguewink:

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Looks nice but please bare in mind the cambelt does still need doing - yes it has been done on 50k but that would be 2012 so needs doing.

Mot history looks ok - had a bit of a failure list but nothing major and all done.

The belts etc will all be factored into my offer for sure!
How do you mean poverty spec ? I'm a complete noob to Renaults .

Ideally was looking for a 172 cup ( like the recent hill climb car in classifieds for £2495)

 

[DrR]

It's poverty spec, as in it's the lowest spec 182 you can get.

 

[MRBILLYUK]

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The belts etc will all be factored into my offer for sure!
How do you mean poverty spec ? I'm a complete noob to Renaults .

Ideally was looking for a 172 cup ( like the recent hill climb car in classifieds for £2495)

It's got the cloth interior opposed to the leather / alcantara of a " full fat " 182 . Plus normal headlights not HID's . Also no climate control which isn't a big deal really .
Like mossyv6 says . It'll need the belts doing so factor about £600 for that .
It does look a nice car though , good condition bodywork and wheel wise .

 

[imprezaworks]

Ah missed the belt comment, there's £500 ish straight off. Mine will be up for sale soon ish but would be 3250 ish, seems that's a sensible price.

 

[ashtons99]

Don't be misled by the "poverty spec" tag. If it is a genuine "lightweight" original cup with the cloth interior then it is a far less common car than the "full fat" car. I would argue (because I own one [emoji3]) that the Cup is a better purchase than a full fat one.


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[imprezaworks]

Cup- it's the best
FF- it's the best.

Nicest car within budget is 100% the best

 

[AlfaDan]

Thanks for the input lads!

I'll see about viewing the car soon And I'll (not Andy ) report back

 

[imprezaworks]

Who's Andy?

 

[AlfaDan]

Ah missed the belt comment, there's £500 ish straight off. Mine will be up for sale soon ish but would be 3250 ish, seems that's a sensible price.

Have you got a build thread ?

 

[AlfaDan]

Who's Andy?

Predictive text lol

 

[MRBILLYUK]

Thanks for the input lads!

I'll see about viewing the car soon Andy report back

Take a mate with ya cos he'll probably see things you don't or maybe ask questions you don't . But don't take a female cos she'll just like it for the colour :wink:

 

[imprezaworks]

Take a mate with ya cos he'll probably see things you don't or maybe ask questions you don't . But don't take a female cos she'll just like it for the colour, because it's the bestest

 

[imprezaworks]

Have you got a build thread ?

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/yet-another-clio-55-rb-182.786120/

 

[AlfaDan]

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/yet-another-clio-55-rb-182.786120/

Another victim of photobucket,

 

[imprezaworks]

Yup

 

[AlfaDan]

Just out of interest chaps reference the recon gearbox

How much would a gearbox cost ? A known good used one , I can imagine a new one might be pricey

 

[imprezaworks]

About 150-200. There was a proper recon one for sale on here for about 450, worth every penny.

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/jc5-129-fully-rebuilt.810054/#post-11441031

 

[AlfaDan]

About 150-200. There was a proper recon one for sale on here for about 450, worth every penny.

That's about what I was thinking cheers

 

[AlfaDan]

Just out of interest, say that car was as good as it looked and had the all important belts done etc, how much would it be worth ?
Not like I can find many for sale . I assume the FF Cup hold a premium over the Cup

 

[MRBILLYUK]

Just out of interest, say that car was as good as it looked and had the all important belts done etc, how much would it be worth ?
Not like I can find many for sale . I assume the FF Cup hold a premium over the Cup

Like I said earlier . If it was me I'd offer £2200 . If they're desperate to sell they might accept it , or meet you half way at least . If you're planning on keeping it for a long time then it's worth putting a few quid into it like getting the belts done just for peace of mind .
It's had a few minor modifications , but in the real world you'll never get much money back for them really.
Make a check list of things you want to ask the buyer , something to help you negotiate the price down a bit . Like the belts and no proof and that if you were to buy it , it's gonna cost you £600 , no mention of a 2nd key which from Renault cost about £165 bought and coded to the car .
Ask to see the receipt for the recon gear box and new clutch .
Full Fat 182's probably do command a bit more money just because they have a nicer interior , HID headlights , climate control etc .......
Don't look too keen to buy it . Don't say there aren't many about . Get a feel if he wants it gone quickly , and how long its been for sale.
I must be honest with ya though . From the pics it does look a nice car .

 

[AlfaDan]

Already made a list ( do it for every car) this is a second car so I'm in no hurry to acquire one , I like the thrill of the chase so to speak as much as the owning , probably why Iv changed cars nearly every 12-18mth.
I meant if it was mint without any issues what would the value be .

already had a quote on the belts @£600 including water pump, dephaser etc

 

[imprezaworks]

With belts done, £3k imo.

 

[MRBILLYUK]

I'm agreement with @imprezaworks . With belts done and proof and looking at the condition from the pics £3k . Prices have been on the up lately for some reason.

 

[imprezaworks]

Yep all the little clios have krept up in price. I've been looking about for cars recently and the clio is a solid choice dependent on circumstance

 

[R3k1355]

already had a quote on the belts @£600 including water pump, dephaser etc

Is that from a proper specialist, it's not something you want your average garage to do, they'll just f**k it up.

 

[AlfaDan]

Is that from a proper specialist, it's not something you want your average garage to do, they'll just f**k it up.

Forgive my ignorance,

but why does the timing belt need to be changed by a proper speacialist ?
Iv been using the same garage for the past 15yrs and they've looked after all manor of vehicles Iv owned in that time when I haven't had the time/money or inclination to this this myself .
Having never changed a timing belt on a RS Clio I'm nomn the wiser as to what's involved, but I have changed them on other cars in the past and come across other forums who state such things .

Is this just internet scaremongering or is it legitimate

 

[MRBILLYUK]

Forgive my ignorance,

but why does the timing belt need to be changed by a proper speacialist ?
Iv been using the same garage for the past 15yrs and they've looked after all manor of vehicles Iv owned in that time when I haven't had the time/money or inclination to this this myself .
Having never changed a timing belt on a RS Clio I'm nomn the wiser as to what's involved, but I have changed them on other cars in the past and come across other forums who state such things .

Is this just internet scaremongering or is it legitimate[/QUOTE
It's more of a case of the garage needing the correct tools which are quite expensive to buy . So the chances of a non specialist garage having them are probably quite slim. That's why most people always recommend taking it to a specialist .
I've driven mine on a 6 hour round trip the last time I had both my belts done in the knowledge that the job will be done correctly , for my own piece of mind.

 

[R3k1355]

Forgive my ignorance,

but why does the timing belt need to be changed by a proper speacialist ?
Iv been using the same garage for the past 15yrs and they've looked after all manor of vehicles Iv owned in that time when I haven't had the time/money or inclination to this this myself .
Having never changed a timing belt on a RS Clio I'm nomn the wiser as to what's involved, but I have changed them on other cars in the past and come across other forums who state such things .

Is this just internet scaremongering or is it legitimate

The job itself is a PITA in the first place but it actually needs a special set of locking tools to do the job as well.
Cheaper sets of these tools are knocking around they don't work. Only the genuine Renault ones actually get the cam timing correct.

If the job isn't done right the cam timing will be incorrect, if the cam timing is wrong on these engines you can loose around 40BHP.

 

[AlfaDan]

The job itself is a PITA in the first place but it actually needs a special set of locking tools to do the job as well.
Cheaper sets of these tools are knocking around they don't work. Only the genuine Renault ones actually get the cam timing correct.

If the job isn't done right the cam timing will be incorrect, if the cam timing is wrong on these engines you can loose around 40BHP.

i appreciate that , this isn't just Renault though, all manufacturers make things difficult so you have to return to them for such tasks ,
All I can do is ask the garage I use the questions and see what he says,

Are there any 'specialists' up in the north east of England pref Newcastle/Gateshead way?