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Big Steve World Cup Williams 🌍



Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Nothing I like more than a challenge… :unsure:

As I mentioned before, the strut tops in the engine bay are drilled for a strut brace that was previously fitted to the car:
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I would usually look to get the strut tops welded and the holes filled in, but I like the originality of this car, so wanted to see if could source another identical strut brace.

I mentioned before that I found one for sale on eBay in the UK and bought it, but Yodel lost it! :mad::( (BTW NEVER send anything with Yodel, they’re 💩 heads! 🤬🤬🤬)
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So I set my heart on finding another one, and after a LOT of googling, managed to find a New Old Stock one for sale in Italy, but they wouldn’t send it to me in the UK because of Brexit, so I asked them to send it to my companies office in Munich, and this morning managed to get it back home following a business trip!
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  • Train to Frankfurt airport
  • Thru airport security (Wasn’t confiscated from me! 🙂)
  • Managed to get it on board with me (Wasn’t asked to check it in! 🙂)
  • Sauntered thru UK Customs 🛃 (No tax to pay! 😉)
  • Properly unpacked it at home, and clear to see it’s been on a shelf gathering dust for MANY years!!
Another box ticked for this car!! :love:
 

Daz.

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 200 RS EDC
Originally the car didn't have one. So having one does not improve it's originality.

Weld em up!
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Originally…

Originality wasn’t perhaps the best word I could have chose, it’s the history of this car I like.

I quite like the fact that this little Williams’ journey through multiple owners has resulted in modifications and makes it part of what it is. For sure I could go for a bone stock OE restoration like I have done on my 5GTT Raider and 11 Turbo, but everyman and their dog seem to be doing that now to their Clio Williams, and putting a lot of effort into out-doing each other. This time I’m going to buck the trend! 🤪

Larger rear spoiler and strut brace will be staying; 😉 but I’m not going to paint the rocker cover blue, that’ll get one of my 🥧🔑 Aluma Blast refurbishments….. more to follow….
 

16V F7R

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 16V
Do what you want with it, OE+ is better in my opinion but each to their own. I got the oe bug bad with my gtt and got a bit board of it in the end. A few little choice and tasteful mods make it your own and separate it from the norm. Easy for another owner to put it back to standard if it ever did get sold.

What silver you using on the rocker cover if you ditch the Hill power blue? I read you can get F16 I.e sticker to go on the ignition lead cover but will that stay on with the heat?
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Do what you want with it, OE+ is better in my opinion but each to their own. I got the oe bug bad with my gtt and got a bit board of it in the end. A few little choice and tasteful mods make it your own and separate it from the norm. Easy for another owner to put it back to standard if it ever did get sold.

What silver you using on the rocker cover if you ditch the Hill power blue? I read you can get F16 I.e sticker to go on the ignition lead cover but will that stay on with the heat?
I’ve had some real great success with this product:


Check out my Clio 182 Thread:

I’ve seen a place in France that sell reproductions of the the ignition lead cover, can see myself getting one of these when I need one:

 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Nipped up town for a spot of lunch today and took the Clio Williams, couldn’t resist a photo when we parked up:
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After lunch, I cajoled my wife Sarah into giving the car a drive for the first time. You know how it goes guys with your wives/partners 🙄:
  • “The clutch is too heavy”
  • “The brake pedal’s too long”
  • “The accelerator’s too sharp”
But within a couple of miles, she’d got used to the car and the compliments started to come in:
  • “There’s no rattles..!”
  • “It feels really solid and stable”
  • “It’s quick!”
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Took her out to a few country roads we like to drive, and she really got into it:
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And I even managed to get a little video of her driving it round a couple of favourite corners, and the car gave a little POP as she accelerated away!
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Chuffed that all the secondary Oil gauges are working well:
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Makes your life easier when your partner likes your car doesn’t it..!? 😉😆
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Started to take the car apart tonight for the major service:
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There’s a lot of grime & surface rust present, but everything’s coming apart alright, nothings broken off at all!!
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Front drivers headlight removed to expose the belts, which seem really loose. I know there’s something about the tensioner teeth breaking, so suspect there may be an issue here… will see when I strip it down.
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Radiator drained and removed, and chuffed to see that the car was full of Type D! 👍
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Already fighting the urge to take it all out and get everything sprayed, plated, powdercoated, refurbished etc etc etc… 🫣
 

RustyMojo

Bon Jovi Officianado
ClioSport Club Member
Started to take the car apart tonight for the major service:
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There’s a lot of grime & surface rust present, but everything’s coming apart alright, nothings broken off at all!!
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Front drivers headlight removed to expose the belts, which seem really loose. I know there’s something about the tensioner teeth breaking, so suspect there may be an issue here… will see when I strip it down.
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Radiator drained and removed, and chuffed to see that the car was full of Type D! 👍
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Already fighting the urge to take it all out and get everything sprayed, plated, powdercoated, refurbished etc etc etc… 🫣
Steve you owe it to the community to go fully mental with this build mate.
 
  Clio 172 cup
Will be following along, really tempted by a Williams but past my pay grade unfortunately, will have to stick with my alien for now
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Dismantling continues this evening, with the Aux belt coming off, and the alternator. Only had one bolt break on me so-far into the aluminium inlet manifold 😤
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She keeps gently whispering in my ear words of encouragement to get stuck in though, especially when I have a look at the front panel of the subframe:
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Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Where did you get these from Steve?
I've ordered all of this lot, from these locations @Pikey009. Not all of it has turned up yet, but it's on it's way:
  • Sills both sides
Drivers Side -> https://www.carz2.co.uk/renault-clio-91-898--full-sill-even-number-driver96685-96685-p.asp
Passenger side -> https://www.carz2.co.uk/renault-clio-91-898-full-sill-even-number-ds-odd-number-ps---2--96684-p.asp
  • Front Jacking Points:
Same as 5 GTT -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233783841829
  • Rear Jacking points:
Same as 5GTT -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334043405448
  • Williams Rear Arches
I've ordered a pair of (apparently) correct williams/valver form rear arches from this chap in France to save my welder man have to re-create the panels from sheet material. They're not bloody cheap at €250 (£237.61) but they look like they should be saving me a lot of fabrication time, so went for this option. They've not turned up yet, so maybe hold off buying them until I get them and see what they're like... -> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cliowilliamsgroupeaparts/posts/2332052620165230
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Is it possible to get hold of subframes? I know they are from cup cars. I think mine is pure rust!
You can get a subframe off a standard MK1 Clio, but the Williams ones were double skinned apparently, so It wouldn't be identical. Best to try & re-fabricate yours.

You can see from the picture above, mine doesn't look too fresh! 👆
 

16v_paddy

ClioSport Club Member
  Valvers & 172 Cup
Subframes on the Williams are triple skinned and were only fitted to the Williams so finding one is going to be nigh on impossible
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
I can confirm that the bracket guy at Renault was definitely working overtime when they designed this car!!! Christ on a bike 🙄 and I thought the 5GTT was over complicated in some areas…! 😆😆

Work continued to pull the engine bay apart today as I wanted to get the Aux belt tensioning bracket off to see if all of the tensioning teeth were there, as the belt was really loose on my car.

The tensioning bracket is linked to the power steering pump bracket, so I drained the PAS fluid, and found it a little too brown for my liking, so I’ll make sure I drain the whole system and replace with some clean fluid:
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Interestingly, the PAS pump was the OE Fit, and still felt great when I gave it a spin:
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After another thousand bolts 🤦🏼‍♂️ I got the Aux belt tensioning bracket off & found that the teeth were in perfect condition, but the pulley looks like it’s been a boat anchor ⚓️!
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Chuffed that I don’t have to replace that!

Next stop was to remove the inlet manifold, so it’ll make it easier to replace a few broken bolts:
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Noticed that ALL of the injector plugs are broken, in some way or another. (If anyone knows where to get new Grey AMP connector housings please let me know):
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Another hundred bolts later and got it off:
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Not going to take much more effort to remove the engine entirely.. and I think I’m probably going to go that way so I can sort out the subframe which looks rotten! 💀
 

16v_paddy

ClioSport Club Member
  Valvers & 172 Cup
This website is going to be your new favourite thing ;):ROFLMAO:
They sell replacement injector plugs amongst many other things, I've bought loads of stuff from them for my Williams restoration and I can't recommend them highly enough
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
This website is going to be your new favourite thing ;):ROFLMAO:
They sell replacement injector plugs amongst many other things, I've bought loads of stuff from them for my Williams restoration and I can't recommend them highly enough
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Oh WOW!! Looks like they’re going to get a big fat order in..! Thanks @16v_paddy 🙏👌🏻
 

16v_paddy

ClioSport Club Member
  Valvers & 172 Cup
Don't cheap out on the tensioner pulley as the cheap ones are crap and the good ones are ridiculously expensive, this is the cheapest good quality brand one I've managed to find after a quick look


And here's a genuine one for reference

 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Don't cheap out on the tensioner pulley as the cheap ones are crap and the good ones are ridiculously expensive, this is the cheapest good quality brand one I've managed to find after a quick look


And here's a genuine one for reference

You don’t recommend the plastic ones then??
 

Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
Arches arrived from France and look great:
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Had a little play with them this evening and discovered something VERY Interesting!!

Held up the first arch to the drivers side rear arch and thought to myself, ”Wow, these are 💩, they don’t match the form of the arch”:
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Before I got upset, I compared the passenger side and the arch fitted EXACTLY:
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Hmmm, that’s interesting… so what’s going on????

I then remembered I bought a standard Clio 1 rear arch repair panel and wondered how they compared… JUST LOOK AT THIS FOR A CLEAR EXPLANATION 😲
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The drivers side rear arch is by far the worst, and is bubbling up under the paint. So I can now say with some authority:
  • The Driver side rear arch has been repaired already with a standard Clio MK1 Rear Arch repair panel, and is bubbling up because quite probably full of filler.
  • The passenger side is mostly original.
Buoyed on by this, I’ve just ordered myself a pair of inner rear arches from the chap in France which I think will help no-end when it comes to the repairs…. But as you can see, at a cost! 💰😩
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Big_Steve_T

ClioSport Club Member
No because they're completely wrong :ROFLMAO:
Can you please elaborate on that a little more?

I’m a plastics engineer so know a thing or two about the stuff, and suspect it wasn’t plastic originally because they didn’t have the ability to mould it back in the late 80’s, so that’s why I believe it’s Metal.

Just wonder if you’ve ever heard of any failures with plastic ones?
 

16v_paddy

ClioSport Club Member
  Valvers & 172 Cup
Can you please elaborate on that a little more?

I’m a plastics engineer so know a thing or two about the stuff, and suspect it wasn’t plastic originally because they didn’t have the ability to mould it back in the late 80’s, so that’s why I believe it’s Metal.

Just wonder if you’ve ever heard of any failures with plastic ones?

Just from the pictures it just doesn't look right to me, I don't trust the look of the dimensions & fitment to be correct. Bit difficult to say without actually having 1 to see next to the original though. In nearly 18 years of dicking about with Mk1's this is the 1st time I've ever actually seen plastic ones existing for these, I've got no idea if they're any good or not so you're gonna have to be the guinea pig on that one 🤷‍♂️
But looking at them & the price compared to the ones I know are the better quality, my gut instinct just screams sod trusting one of those
 


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