Big Steve World Cup Williams 🌍

[16v_paddy]

@16v_paddy i read somewhere you got a full exhaust made for your car for £800 touch. Can you please share where that was/are they still in business??

That was back in 2014 and I've got no idea if they're still in business

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Nothing I like more than a challenge…

As I mentioned before, the strut tops in the engine bay are drilled for a strut brace that was previously fitted to the car:

I would usually look to get the strut tops welded and the holes filled in, but I like the originality of this car, so wanted to see if could source another identical strut brace.

I mentioned before that I found one for sale on eBay in the UK and bought it, but Yodel lost it! (BTW NEVER send anything with Yodel, they’re 💩 heads! 🤬🤬🤬)

So I set my heart on finding another one, and after a LOT of googling, managed to find a New Old Stock one for sale in Italy, but they wouldn’t send it to me in the UK because of Brexit, so I asked them to send it to my companies office in Munich, and this morning managed to get it back home following a business trip!

• Train to Frankfurt airport
• Thru airport security (Wasn’t confiscated from me! 🙂)
• Managed to get it on board with me (Wasn’t asked to check it in! 🙂)
• Sauntered thru UK Customs 🛃 (No tax to pay! 😉)
• Properly unpacked it at home, and clear to see it’s been on a shelf gathering dust for MANY years!!

Another box ticked for this car!!

 

[Daz.]

Originally the car didn't have one. So having one does not improve it's originality.

Weld em up!

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Originally…

Originality wasn’t perhaps the best word I could have chose, it’s the history of this car I like.

I quite like the fact that this little Williams’ journey through multiple owners has resulted in modifications and makes it part of what it is. For sure I could go for a bone stock OE restoration like I have done on my 5GTT Raider and 11 Turbo, but everyman and their dog seem to be doing that now to their Clio Williams, and putting a lot of effort into out-doing each other. This time I’m going to buck the trend! 🤪

Larger rear spoiler and strut brace will be staying; 😉 but I’m not going to paint the rocker cover blue, that’ll get one of my 🥧🔑 Aluma Blast refurbishments….. more to follow….

 

[Big_Steve_T]

In other news, I’m starting quite a nice collection of parts for the big re-weld planned for July:

 

[16V F7R]

Do what you want with it, OE+ is better in my opinion but each to their own. I got the oe bug bad with my gtt and got a bit board of it in the end. A few little choice and tasteful mods make it your own and separate it from the norm. Easy for another owner to put it back to standard if it ever did get sold.

What silver you using on the rocker cover if you ditch the Hill power blue? I read you can get F16 I.e sticker to go on the ignition lead cover but will that stay on with the heat?

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Do what you want with it, OE+ is better in my opinion but each to their own. I got the oe bug bad with my gtt and got a bit board of it in the end. A few little choice and tasteful mods make it your own and separate it from the norm. Easy for another owner to put it back to standard if it ever did get sold.

What silver you using on the rocker cover if you ditch the Hill power blue? I read you can get F16 I.e sticker to go on the ignition lead cover but will that stay on with the heat?

I’ve had some real great success with this product:

Eastwood Aluma Blast Paint (340g)

Eastwood Aluma Blast Aerosol from Frost.co.uk - The Specialist of High Quality Tools & Equipment for the Classic Vehicle Restorer

www.frost.co.uk

Check out my Clio 182 Thread:

Big Steve's RB Clio 182 Cup Restoration

Great work so far!!

cliosport.net

I’ve seen a place in France that sell reproductions of the the ignition lead cover, can see myself getting one of these when I need one:

Cover Engine Clio Renault Williams 16S 16V New F16 I E 2.0 2L Phase 1 Cover ⭐ | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Cover Engine Clio Renault Williams 16S 16V New F16 I E 2.0 2L Phase 1 Cover ⭐ at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Clio Williams care package arrived from Autodoc this morning:

Containing:

• Cambelt kit
• Auxiliary belt kit
• Water pump
• Oil filter
• Fuel filter
• Exhaust gasket
• Inlet gasket
• Rocker cover gasket
• Random captive nuts

Will be planning to get all this fitted over coming weeks…

 

[Poopensharten]

Love this thread😎😎

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Nipped up town for a spot of lunch today and took the Clio Williams, couldn’t resist a photo when we parked up:

After lunch, I cajoled my wife Sarah into giving the car a drive for the first time. You know how it goes guys with your wives/partners 🙄:

• “The clutch is too heavy”
• “The brake pedal’s too long”
• “The accelerator’s too sharp”

But within a couple of miles, she’d got used to the car and the compliments started to come in:

• “There’s no rattles..!”
• “It feels really solid and stable”
• “It’s quick!”

Took her out to a few country roads we like to drive, and she really got into it:

And I even managed to get a little video of her driving it round a couple of favourite corners, and the car gave a little POP as she accelerated away!

Chuffed that all the secondary Oil gauges are working well:

Makes your life easier when your partner likes your car doesn’t it..!? 😉😆

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Started to take the car apart tonight for the major service:

There’s a lot of grime & surface rust present, but everything’s coming apart alright, nothings broken off at all!!

Front drivers headlight removed to expose the belts, which seem really loose. I know there’s something about the tensioner teeth breaking, so suspect there may be an issue here… will see when I strip it down.

Radiator drained and removed, and chuffed to see that the car was full of Type D! 👍

Already fighting the urge to take it all out and get everything sprayed, plated, powdercoated, refurbished etc etc etc… 🫣

 

[RustyMojo]

Started to take the car apart tonight for the major service:
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There’s a lot of grime & surface rust present, but everything’s coming apart alright, nothings broken off at all!!
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Front drivers headlight removed to expose the belts, which seem really loose. I know there’s something about the tensioner teeth breaking, so suspect there may be an issue here… will see when I strip it down.
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Radiator drained and removed, and chuffed to see that the car was full of Type D! 👍
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Already fighting the urge to take it all out and get everything sprayed, plated, powdercoated, refurbished etc etc etc… 🫣

Steve you owe it to the community to go fully mental with this build mate.

 

[Mr Underhill]

Already fighting the urge to take it all out and get everything sprayed, plated, powdercoated, refurbished etc etc etc… 🫣

Just do it!

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Steve you owe it to the community to go fully mental with this build mate.

Just do it!

🤣🤣

 

[Jase.]

Awesome stuff Steve, I’ll be following this!

I bought the rusty phase 1, 2 weeks ago by the way 🤣🤣

 

[Conor03]

Will be following along, really tempted by a Williams but past my pay grade unfortunately, will have to stick with my alien for now

 

[Big_Steve_T]

I bought the rusty phase 1, 2 weeks ago by the way 🤣🤣

Delighted to read it got saved @Pikey009 !! What’s your plans with it??

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Will be following along, really tempted by a Williams but past my pay grade unfortunately, will have to stick with my alien for now

Thanks for your support @Conor03
Crazy how an AG is now the cheaper car than a Williams… 😭‼️

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Dismantling continues this evening, with the Aux belt coming off, and the alternator. Only had one bolt break on me so-far into the aluminium inlet manifold 😤

She keeps gently whispering in my ear words of encouragement to get stuck in though, especially when I have a look at the front panel of the subframe:

 

[RustyMojo]

Anyone else smell a big Steve nut and bolt resto coming up on the horizon?

 

[16V F7R]

A 70+ page thread Renault 11 jobby 😂 👍

 

[Jase.]

Anyone else smell a big Steve nut and bolt resto coming up on the horizon?

100%

 

[Jase.]

Is it possible to get hold of subframes? I know they are from cup cars. I think mine is pure rust!

 

[Jase.]

In other news, I’m starting quite a nice collection of parts for the big re-weld planned for July:
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Where did you get these from Steve?

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Where did you get these from Steve?

I've ordered all of this lot, from these locations @Pikey009. Not all of it has turned up yet, but it's on it's way:

• Sills both sides

Drivers Side -> https://www.carz2.co.uk/renault-clio-91-898--full-sill-even-number-driver96685-96685-p.asp
Passenger side -> https://www.carz2.co.uk/renault-clio-91-898-full-sill-even-number-ds-odd-number-ps---2--96684-p.asp

• Front Jacking Points:

Same as 5 GTT -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233783841829

• Rear Jacking points:

Same as 5GTT -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334043405448

• Williams Rear Arches

I've ordered a pair of (apparently) correct williams/valver form rear arches from this chap in France to save my welder man have to re-create the panels from sheet material. They're not bloody cheap at €250 (£237.61) but they look like they should be saving me a lot of fabrication time, so went for this option. They've not turned up yet, so maybe hold off buying them until I get them and see what they're like... -> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cliowilliamsgroupeaparts/posts/2332052620165230

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Is it possible to get hold of subframes? I know they are from cup cars. I think mine is pure rust!

You can get a subframe off a standard MK1 Clio, but the Williams ones were double skinned apparently, so It wouldn't be identical. Best to try & re-fabricate yours.

You can see from the picture above, mine doesn't look too fresh! 👆

 

[16v_paddy]

Subframes on the Williams are triple skinned and were only fitted to the Williams so finding one is going to be nigh on impossible

 

[Daz.]

Subframes on the Williams are triple skinned and were only fitted to the Williams so finding one is going to be nigh on impossible

I was told at the time in 2008 that I had got the last triple skinned new oem subframe available.

Was a thing of beauty.

 

[Big_Steve_T]

I can confirm that the bracket guy at Renault was definitely working overtime when they designed this car!!! Christ on a bike 🙄 and I thought the 5GTT was over complicated in some areas…! 😆😆

Work continued to pull the engine bay apart today as I wanted to get the Aux belt tensioning bracket off to see if all of the tensioning teeth were there, as the belt was really loose on my car.

The tensioning bracket is linked to the power steering pump bracket, so I drained the PAS fluid, and found it a little too brown for my liking, so I’ll make sure I drain the whole system and replace with some clean fluid:

Interestingly, the PAS pump was the OE Fit, and still felt great when I gave it a spin:

After another thousand bolts 🤦🏼‍♂️ I got the Aux belt tensioning bracket off & found that the teeth were in perfect condition, but the pulley looks like it’s been a boat anchor ⚓️!

Chuffed that I don’t have to replace that!

Next stop was to remove the inlet manifold, so it’ll make it easier to replace a few broken bolts:

Noticed that ALL of the injector plugs are broken, in some way or another. (If anyone knows where to get new Grey AMP connector housings please let me know):

Another hundred bolts later and got it off:

Not going to take much more effort to remove the engine entirely.. and I think I’m probably going to go that way so I can sort out the subframe which looks rotten! 💀

 

[16v_paddy]

This website is going to be your new favourite thing

Pièces Clio 16S et Clio Williams (Origine et Compétition) - Boutique Bordanova Sport

Pièces origine et Compétition pour Renault Clio 16S et Clio Williams : Notre expertise à votre service !

www.boutique-bordanova-sport.com

They sell replacement injector plugs amongst many other things, I've bought loads of stuff from them for my Williams restoration and I can't recommend them highly enough

 

[Big_Steve_T]

This website is going to be your new favourite thing

Pièces Clio 16S et Clio Williams (Origine et Compétition) - Boutique Bordanova Sport

Pièces origine et Compétition pour Renault Clio 16S et Clio Williams : Notre expertise à votre service !

www.boutique-bordanova-sport.com

They sell replacement injector plugs amongst many other things, I've bought loads of stuff from them for my Williams restoration and I can't recommend them highly enough

Oh WOW!! Looks like they’re going to get a big fat order in..! Thanks @16v_paddy 🙏👌🏻

 

[16v_paddy]

Don't cheap out on the tensioner pulley as the cheap ones are crap and the good ones are ridiculously expensive, this is the cheapest good quality brand one I've managed to find after a quick look

Aux Belt Tensioner fits RENAULT CLIO Mk1 2.0 94 to 98 F7R700 Drive V-Ribbed QH 5016593815421 | eBay

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And here's a genuine one for reference

7700851321 Pulley Tensioner Renault 19 - Laguna - Megane | eBay

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[Krarl]

Big Steve: 'This car is for me to enjoy, I'm not going to completely strip it down and nut and bolt resto it'

Also Big Steve:

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Don't cheap out on the tensioner pulley as the cheap ones are crap and the good ones are ridiculously expensive, this is the cheapest good quality brand one I've managed to find after a quick look

Aux Belt Tensioner fits RENAULT CLIO Mk1 2.0 94 to 98 F7R700 Drive V-Ribbed QH 5016593815421 | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Aux Belt Tensioner fits RENAULT CLIO Mk1 2.0 94 to 98 F7R700 Drive V-Ribbed QH at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

And here's a genuine one for reference

7700851321 Pulley Tensioner Renault 19 - Laguna - Megane | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 7700851321 Pulley Tensioner Renault 19 - Laguna - Megane at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

You don’t recommend the plastic ones then??

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Big Steve: 'This car is for me to enjoy, I'm not going to completely strip it down and nut and bolt resto it'

Also Big Steve:

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Proper laughed at this @Tubbs Vice !! 🤣🤣

Yea I do seem to be reverting to form a tad… just do me a favour, and don’t read the next post I’m about to put up… 🙈

🤣🤣🤣

 

[Big_Steve_T]

Arches arrived from France and look great:

Had a little play with them this evening and discovered something VERY Interesting!!

Held up the first arch to the drivers side rear arch and thought to myself, ”Wow, these are 💩, they don’t match the form of the arch”:

Before I got upset, I compared the passenger side and the arch fitted EXACTLY:

Hmmm, that’s interesting… so what’s going on????

I then remembered I bought a standard Clio 1 rear arch repair panel and wondered how they compared… JUST LOOK AT THIS FOR A CLEAR EXPLANATION 😲

The drivers side rear arch is by far the worst, and is bubbling up under the paint. So I can now say with some authority:

• The Driver side rear arch has been repaired already with a standard Clio MK1 Rear Arch repair panel, and is bubbling up because quite probably full of filler.
• The passenger side is mostly original.

Buoyed on by this, I’ve just ordered myself a pair of inner rear arches from the chap in France which I think will help no-end when it comes to the repairs…. But as you can see, at a cost! 💰😩

 

[16v_paddy]

You don’t recommend the plastic ones then??

No because they're completely wrong

 

[Big_Steve_T]

No because they're completely wrong

Can you please elaborate on that a little more?

I’m a plastics engineer so know a thing or two about the stuff, and suspect it wasn’t plastic originally because they didn’t have the ability to mould it back in the late 80’s, so that’s why I believe it’s Metal.

Just wonder if you’ve ever heard of any failures with plastic ones?

 

[16v_paddy]

Can you please elaborate on that a little more?

I’m a plastics engineer so know a thing or two about the stuff, and suspect it wasn’t plastic originally because they didn’t have the ability to mould it back in the late 80’s, so that’s why I believe it’s Metal.

Just wonder if you’ve ever heard of any failures with plastic ones?

Just from the pictures it just doesn't look right to me, I don't trust the look of the dimensions & fitment to be correct. Bit difficult to say without actually having 1 to see next to the original though. In nearly 18 years of dicking about with Mk1's this is the 1st time I've ever actually seen plastic ones existing for these, I've got no idea if they're any good or not so you're gonna have to be the guinea pig on that one 🤷‍♂️
But looking at them & the price compared to the ones I know are the better quality, my gut instinct just screams sod trusting one of those

 

[Jase.]

Wow, those repair panels look great, I'll get some ordered!