197 Remap

[fil_b]

Just a question

what sort of increase would you see off a remap for a 197 with a panal filter??

17bhp increase??

feebs

 

[sh33n]

Doubt you'd see that much.

10-12 maybe.

 

[fil_b]

some1 said they remapped a 197 the weekend and got 17bhp increase

i not sure what to think

 

[Chris n nic]

Soooo many variyables tho m8. Was it RR'd before and after on the same roller on the same day? If the rollers over read then it might have said the 197 was 200bhp before the mods so not really the same increase

Chris

 

[theduck]

197s gain a load of torque mid-range but not heard a claim that big for bhp

EDIT: I lie, i have a graph of 15bhp increse top end and gains of about 20ftlb torque accross the range

 

[maupineda]

197s gain a load of torque mid-range but not heard a claim that big for bhp

EDIT: I lie, i have a graph of 15bhp increse top end and gains of about 20ftlb torque accross the range

Wow, can you share the graph?? Thanks m8

 

[dunster]

Superchips have a graph on their site for the 197 map.

They get 209bhp @ 7172rpm and 166lb/ft torque @ 5531rpm.

http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/Clio2016v197.pdf

 

[theduck]

not been told i cant...

Graph was provided by K-tec and is as you can see, an RS Tuning map.

 

[Chris n nic]

I'm sure the result will speak for themselves but I would be shocked if a remap can give that big a gain. 15bhp at the wheels is just too good to be true (isn't that about 215 bhp?!) If not I think I'll be trying to get a 197 engine put in the cup and not bother with throttle bodies lol

Chris

 

[sideways danny]

they're not 197bhp, The figures on that graph are fly wheel figures.

on a completely standard 172, a properly mapped omex can get you 10bhp

 

[Chris n nic]

If you are replying to me I was talking about the graph the duck posted

Chris

 

[sideways danny]

so was I it says flywheel on it

 

[Chris n nic]

lol so a remapped 197 might get 185bhp at the fly?

Chris

So it does...thats more like a 172 with mods than a 197 lol

 

[theduck]

Yes thats at the fly. Apparently they are down on power as standard, inlet mani apparently could be part of this still

 

[Gaz_]

197's make their power generally, not seen one below 190 bhp on any session yet. Much better than the MK2's....

 

[sideways danny]

172 - 162bhp
182 - 166bhp
197 - 180bhp

All completely standard cars on same rollers

 

[sideways danny]

Yes thats at the fly. Apparently they are down on power as standard, inlet mani apparently could be part of this still

I'd be very surprised if the inlet manifold was a restriction

 

[theduck]

Just going on what I have been told by respected tuning companies. They advised me the inlet mani was not much of an improvement, they also said that 197s do seem to be down on power. What they didnt say was how old the cars they have been working on have been. These could be low mileage (read not run in) exmaples

 

[trile]

not been told i cant...

Graph was provided by K-tec and is as you can see, an RS Tuning map.

i've never seen a renaulsport NA engine get these sort of gains just from a remap..
but then I look at the graph..but still can't believe it

 

[theduck]

K-tec and RS Tuning are both very respected companies, have no reason to doubt that tbh

 

[trile]

yeap but both Paul and the guys from k-tec says you can get up to 7-9 bhp depending on other mods...

15bhp is a bit more isn't it?

 

[theduck]

Well that graph was sent to me by K-Tec, who use an RS Tuning map (or at least it would appear so as it says RS Tuning on the graph) and that shows 15bhp gain.

Cant really argue with that?
Or if you want to, phone K-tec or Rs Tuning lol

 

[en035]

not been told i cant...

Graph was provided by K-tec and is as you can see, an RS Tuning map.

That's a marketing strategy. Would you ask them whether this are back to back tests just after a remap or remap + decat + free flow exhaust and etc?

By the way I have not seen any RS giving the book value on the rollers. They are always a bit lower. Pug's are alsp suffering from this. 206 RC on the rollers 165 HP top. Dynoed 4 of them highest 165 HP at the wheel

 

[theduck]

That car isnt making book figures before remap...
Check the times on the graph and you will see its back to back
Its just a remap no other mods

Wish I hadnt posted now, I am getting flamed for other peoples claims...

 

[sideways danny]

That car isnt making book figures before remap...
Check the times on the graph and you will see its back to back
Its just a remap no other mods

Wish I hadnt posted now, I am getting flamed for other peoples claims...

only by people who dont like to admit a number given to a car isn't it's power output

Even so, you're right the car on that graph is down on power as standard even for a conservative dyno. And the owner of the car we dyno'd at 180 completely stock thinks it's gutless.

 

[en035]

That car isnt making book figures before remap...
Check the times on the graph and you will see its back to back
Its just a remap no other mods

Wish I hadnt posted now, I am getting flamed for other peoples claims...

only by people who dont like to admit a number given to a car isn't it's power output

Even so, you're right the car on that graph is down on power as standard even for a conservative dyno. And the owner of the car we dyno'd at 180 completely stock thinks it's gutless.

Here is the question

Saying '' +15 HP gain on a down-powered 197, i.e. 170!!'' is totally different than '' +15 HP gain on a 197'', which is gonne be 212 HP.

Something very similar to that happened for 182 if I remember correctly. RSTuning still claims a big fat +13 HP gain !!!!.

 

[theduck]

well for starters, the 197 has only ever claimed to have 194bhp (197 is the PS measurement)

Secondly, the car wont be down on power due to the map, as its the same map on all 197s out the factory. The power loss is coming from somewhere else. So the fact the remap gained 15bhp on a car thats down on power originally is neither here nor there, it should give the same gains on all 197s when tested in the exact same circumstances (tempreture, humidity etc etc)

At the end of they day, the low down torque gain available by remapping the 1*2s and 197 is worth the money alone, never mind any top end power gains.

 

[en035]

well for starters, the 197 has only ever claimed to have 194bhp (197 is the PS measurement)

Secondly, the car wont be down on power due to the map, as its the same map on all 197s out the factory. The power loss is coming from somewhere else.

At the end of they day, the low down torque gain available by remapping the 1*2s and 197 is worth the money alone, never mind any top end power gains.

Anyways, I am almost sure that 13 HP gain is just like that.

Low down torque, you are absolutely right.

In Turkey, Mk3's are all claimed to be 200 PS.

 

[theduck]

Dont really understand why Renault would claim different powers for the same car in different countries but will have to take your word for it.

 

[en035]

Here is their official website

http://www.renault.com.tr/model/techspec_list.asp?modelID=1

Please use that drop down menu and pick Clio HB RS 2.0 16V.

You will see that it is 200 HP DIN, even better

 

[theduck]

quotes 145kw which is 194bhp or as I said, 197 PS

 

[en035]

So a 197 is 197 PS, 200 HP DIN, 194 BHP LOL

But not certainly 170 HP!!!

 

[theduck]

I have already covered your point about this car being down on power in stock form and the fact that it cannot be related to the original mapping and that, as was the case with the 1*2s it must be related to something such as, the poorly cast inlet manifolds as was the case on the 1*2s

 

[K-Tec Racing]

Superchips have a graph on their site for the 197 map.

They get 209bhp @ 7172rpm and 166lb/ft torque @ 5531rpm.

http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/Clio2016v197.pdf

Now there is a set of rollers that need calibrating. I have never seen a standard graph look that smoooth either.

David.

 

[trile]

looks like one of those "as seen on TV" items..
TV shop