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Im sure if i was to take a CTR to a track id have half as much fun as in a 182. clios can get thrown about so much more because theyre lighter. It doesnt matter how much lighter. THEYRE LIGHTER. 200bhp standard is not bad, not good either but with a little bit of fettling im sure that could be upped a little. As cliopower said, i hope the production car is nicer looking than the prototype. One thing id prefer is a meaner front end.
Ta, Andy
Which of the Clio rivals will have "moved the game on in 2-3 years time"?
Where is this rule?
New Hot-Hatches are often faster than the outgoing models but its not a rule and im sure the old CTR was faster than the bread van version.
FWD cars can only deal with so much power and manufacturers have to sell a safe and complete package - they are near the limit and the only way they will have more power is to compensate for more weight.
On the class thing - Honda sell the Civic to compete with the Focus/Megane group of cars.
They sell the Jazz to compete the Clio/Fiesta/206 range or if you want a Scooby equal Mitchy you need to buy a Justy! LOL
Civics are bigger and cost more - this makes them a Class up.
Fiestas are the same size and cost the same - this makes them the same class.
Can you still get Justys?
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Anyone know any specific details about the new Micras platform, suspension design etc.?
The problem is the Micra and Clio start off around £7k. So even your £15k hot hatch is based on a £7k car so there is a lot of compromise there. If the Micra platform is barely different to the current Clios i cant really see things moving on all that much (going back to the Williams being as good as the MK1 172 comment by Tom).
If the new Clio is something like my Mini.. i will definetly get one, otherwise, i dont see the point.
-Rob
Oh this discussion is amusing!
My interpretation of the car class system:
(using: Honda, Ford, VW, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot models as examples)
Superminis: ?, Ka, Lupo, Twingo (in France), C2, 106
Small hatches: Jazz, Fiesta, Polo, Clio, C3, 206
Small family cars: Civic, Focus, Golf, Megane, Xsara/C4, 307
Family cars: Accord, Mondeo, Passat, Laguna, C5, 407
Now, IF YOU USE ORDINARY MODELS as a basis, I think the above is correct -do you agree?
But, sporty models f*ck things up - I mean, Id consider the CTR as a rival to the 182, even though its not in the same class (its bigger in size, but similar performance and not too different in price). But, you should also consider the 206 GTI180 as a 182 rival. Then theres the MINI, which costs a fair bit but is also a 182 rival IMO. And as for the Clio V6 - NOT a rival for the GTI180 despite being a small hatch in size (extreme example, I know).
Classes are blurred. Cars cant be compared only on size. End of.
At the end of the day, I aint too impressed with the look of the new Clio CS - it looks too upright - but hopefully the final production model will be better.
oh dear this is going to be a long thread......
I quite like the look of the new one. Its similar to the Megane which has grown on me.
I prefer the stealth looks similar to the 172/182. Who wants to buy a chaved up car from new? Body mods imo look sh*te.
A 6th gear is better for the motorway and the cup version 1 year later should be pretty impressive.
Will things still start to drop off within 3 months though?
[Edited by Tadpole172 on 04 October 2004 at 5:50pm]
[Edited by Tadpole172 on 04 October 2004 at 5:51pm]
Hot hatches are getting fatser but with it they seem to loose some of the cornering ability, so I agree with lager lout about the all round package.
The golf gti has got better with each incarnation in terms of outright pace, safety, luxories, comfort etc. However ity can be said equally that it has lost the plot handling wise with each incarnation which is so important hot hatch wise as the latest golf gtis (not mk5) are considered pants!
Im still interested in whih competitors Mitchy and brazo will think have "moved the game on" in 2006 ?
Ah, Golf GTi. The Megane 225 competitor.
Neither, just class
2008 Golf GTI Edition 30
Im not sure if Renault have listened to people regarding the gearbox.
The reason most (if not all) of us existing 172/182 owners wanted the 6 gears for is not acceleration, but a longer 6th gear to make motorway cruising more enjoyable (and dare I say it more effiecient!).
They seem to have taken the line of "improving in gear speeds" with the addition of the 6th gear.
I wonder how much improvement can you really make to a 182s handling. Bearing in mind that the 182 was supposed to sort out the skittish back end problem of the 172?
I also wonder how much more bhp youd be able to get out of an n/a 2.0 thats been tuned to 200bhp anyway.
Id definitely like a longer top gear though.
