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200mph clio!!!!





just a thought, am if im talking bollox then forgive me, but if you put larger wheels on your car, you will trvael more miles per hr ifor the same engine revelutions., so in theory if you put 24 inch alloys (with axle extensions) on your 172, could you get the 140 standard mph up to 200 with the same revs!!!
 


only if u had the power there to be able to keep pushin the car with those big ass wheels on at that sort of speed
 


Quote: Originally posted by Essex_Lad on 19 February 2004

the weight of the wheels and the circumference will slow the car down


yes but the theory behind it is if u have the power to still push it to the rev limiter then u would get a higher top speed
 


..200 m.p.h with a Cd of 0.35 or 0.36, no way, only in a vaccuum or in free fall, or if you had about 800 b.h.p

smaller wheels for a faster standing quarter, yes...

pugboy
 


Quote: Originally posted by Ben j on 19 February 2004


Quote: Originally posted by Essex_Lad on 19 February 2004

the weight of the wheels and the circumference will slow the car down


yes but the theory behind it is if u have the power to still push it to the rev limiter then u would get a higher top speed
yea but thats y ferraris have 20" rims for the greater top speeds but itll be useless theory on a 172
 


the rolling radius of the wheel is just part of the overall gearing, you dont necessarily need bigger wheels to go faster... i cant be arsed trying to explain.. :)
 


yea basically its down to power of the engine, gearing and wheels!

without the power u wont reach it

no point avin 800BHP on a gearbox built to go 105MPH

no point tryin to reach 200MPH on 13" steels
 
  5, 19, Integrale, Cupra R


dont be stupid, of course you can do 200mph with 13" wheels

its down to the gearbox ratios and the power
 


alright alright sorry i spoke

jus usin 20" as an example

i know u can get 200 out of 13s but u would need some decent tyres that could take it
 


what you want to o is stick on some L.E.D washer jets as they increase BHP by 20% then get some 2 fast 2 furious graphics which will knock off 2 seconds off the 0-60 and will give you an increase of 15 mph then wash the car really well. this is called a weight reduction as your removing dust particals which slow you down. so if you have a car which does 0-60 in 12 seconds and top speed of 110mph your looking at 0-60 in around 5 seconds and top speed around 215mph. hope this helps;)
 
  Mk2 172


Based on the 172 having 16" wheels and a top speed of about 144mph (by gearing), I guess you would have to increase the circumfrance by 25% to get to 200mph.

so...

16" * pi = 50 inches

Add another 13" to the circunfrance...63.

Divide it by pi....and you get about 20". So yes, 20" wheels and no wind resistance and you are there mate.

Better make it 21" wheels, so as you can thrash thrust2 at the lights.

:=:cool:
 
  BMW 320d Sport


haha I like questions like these. In theory, yes bigger wheels give you greater potential for top speed. In practice the bigger you go, the more mass, friction and circumference your wheels have needing greater power to get them up to speed and maintain it (Im really oversimplifying this btw). So in effect you diminish your cars acceleration by going for big wheels. However, assuming that you somehow bumped up your 172s output to say 300bhp with a similar increase in torque, then yes you could push the bigger wheels through the same final drive and attain a higher top speed. Problem is that the Clio is not the most aerodynamic of shapes and there will be a certain speed at which you hit a brick wall, needing a hell of a lot more power to keep accelerating.

On a standard valver I always found this to be around 120-125mph on the speedo, even though it is capable of 130 roughly. Likewise with my turbo valver running around 240-250bhp you can feel the brick wall effect at 145mph. On the autobahn of course.
 
  BMW 320d Sport


To achieve 200mph in a Clio youd need to firstly look at around 500-600bhp for starters, weight of the car itself isnt really important as long as youve got enough straight that will give you time to accelerate. Then youd have to sort out the gearing to make the speed you want possible. Next up is the aerodynamics, and were not just talking about taping up all the shutlines and putting the mirrors and aerial in the boot. Youd need to seriously redesign the body surfaces to completely negate any aerodynamic lift whilst trying to maintain a low level of drag. Tricky.
 


Quote: Originally posted by Nick Read on 20 February 2004
To achieve 200mph in a Clio youd need to firstly look at around 500-600bhp for starters, weight of the car itself isnt really important as long as youve got enough straight that will give you time to accelerate. Then youd have to sort out the gearing to make the speed you want possible. Next up is the aerodynamics, and were  not just talking about taping up all the shutlines and putting the mirrors and aerial in the boot. Youd need to seriously redesign the body surfaces to completely negate any aerodynamic lift whilst trying to maintain a low level of drag. Tricky.


why would you have to alter the gearing..... as if the engine tis turning the wheels the same revelutions in a minutes but due to a larger curcumfrance, you are travelling a greater distance in the same time, maybe it is just more power neede to push the engine up to the higher revs!! thus 200mph hey presto!!!
 
  Turbo Beige


The wheels on a car are the final components in the drivtrain and although the easiest to change, they shoud be one of the last things to be altered to get a higher top speed. To get anywhere nere the 200mph figure would be impossible just by changing your wheels, mainly due to the fact that you could probably do it with about 350bhp but you would need nearer 900lb/ft of toqrue to rotate the wheels this figure would be impossible to get on a driveable engine without a rebuild every 500miles etc.
 
  Mk2 172


......So:

If the wind was blowing at 190mph in the direction you were going

And you were on a slight downhill slope (the sort that might cancel out gravity and most friction)

And had squeezed your 21" wheels on...........

Could you get to 200 mph in a clio 172?
 

Daz.

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 200 RS EDC


buy yourself a porsche - take the badges off and put RS 172 badges and Renault badges all over it - hey presto... a bodykitted 172 that happens to look like a porsche...
 


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