210bhp 172

[Turkish]

Quote: Originally posted by Roamer on 04 February 2004

Oh, and dogmaul, when I rang you yesterday the car actually had the spare wheel, toolkit, and fred in the car extra extra weight that wouldve slowed me down lol



yeah but was that fred or cup fred (internal organs removed for extra speed)

 

[McBunny]

forgot about all that extra weight

 

[Lee]

Quote: Originally posted by Roamer on 04 February 2004


Yup, its now got a (Fingers crossed) non blowing non weld-splitting 4" slashcut, sounds really nice and does the job

Excellent, look forward to hearing it, well at least until it makes my ears bleed that is. Any piccies yet? Im not sure how the slash cut would look on the 172. The only one Ive seen so far was a really badly mounted one at Trax.

 

[Roamer]

Lee, heres a quick naff image (And before you say it Tom, I used the wrong settin on the phone I know )

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1075900118__412E0044.jpg

 

[Fred@BTM]

the CUP Vs ROAMER will be concluded very shortly!!!

 

[Tom]

not bad bit of a tweak needed, i leave mine on auto now.

 

[Lee]

Very nice John. Nice and neat.

 

[Elliot]

JJ, what is the work going to be?

We will all be bored with it before you manage to save up for it

 

[Roamer]

I take it you have upgraded the injectors? so what did you go upto?

 

[Ben j]

head, cams chip. 210bhp 172

 

[philip]

no. thatll only get you 195-200 max if done properly

 

[Neil82]

Philip from your experince, what do you think you wil gain from a de-cat and exhaust? 5 hp? Philip do you live near York? Would love to see your car on the strip, might get into the 13s!

 

[McBunny]

well after my 12bhp from decat and exhaust yeah 5 is certainly possible lol

 

[Neil82]

What did your make in the end at the wheels and fly?

 

[JJ172]

All good things come to those who wait....

philip knows the score Hes had the suspension mods I talked about ages ago put on his Cup... he knows the 210 mods are from a pukka source...

 

[philip]

Hi Neil, Im afraid its a negative to most of your questions. I have no idea what you will get from exhaust and decat (my car still has theoriginal cat for now). I live in London. The car will never find itself on a strip (as long as I own it). However you can find it regularly on the track, but thats a very different experience

 

[Roamer]

hmmmm so, my guess is.......

Headwork, inlet work, cams, increased throttle body diameter, map tweeks to suit.

Injectors - I hope so.

If youve done it without the injector changes you are running in the danger zone of leaning out if anything happens to an injector, normally you should run 80% of the injectors max, so on the standard ones thats 80% of (4x52) which is 166bhp, now the absolute max they are meant to push is 208, so either youve increased the fuel pressure to suit, or changed injectors..... hopefully the latter.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Ben j on 06 February 2004

head, cams chip. 210bhp 172

Nah, that wont be 210bhp...

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 06 February 2004



What did your make in the end at the wheels and fly?

Dogmauls RR Results:

Power - 151bhp @ wheels (177.6bhp @ fly - calculated)
Torque - 129lb/ft @ wheels (151.8lb/ft @ fly - calculated)

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1076076809__Dogmaul_mk2172_RR_Graph_01.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1076076809__Dogmaul_mk2172_RR_Graph_01.jpg

 

[McBunny]

podt someone elses lol and not mathews lol the standard one if poss

 

[McBunny]

my previous run was 128bhp wheels 158 fly 31.2 loss

 

[Dash]

Just how many Ekotec valves can you fit on a 172 ?

 

[cliotuRS]

so what is it?... company name ...

 

[Ben j]

Quote: Originally posted by philip on 06 February 2004

no. thatll only get you 195-200 max if done properly

craigy172 was rrd at 196 with zorst, viper and unichip

 

[philip]

Interesting, He must have a special car.

 

[Ben j]

dunno but with head and cams i think that could push a lot!

maybe he got an overpowered one in first place

 

[jonnyboy]

I consider this post a LAD conversion topic until I see it on rollers. All this secrecy bullsh*ts boring.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by dogmaul on 06 February 2004

podt someone elses lol and not mathews lol the standard one if poss

Can overlay yours vs one of the standard 172s mate... hang on...

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by philip on 06 February 2004

Interesting, He must have a special car.

Or a special rolling road!



What were the @ wheels figures for that 196bhp run then?!

 

[Rich-D]

Ok, heres Dogmauls RR graph compared to 2 standard mk2 172s that ran on the same day...

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1076097305__Dogmaul_vs_standard_mk2_172s_RR_Graph_01.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1076097305__Dogmaul_vs_standard_mk2_172s_RR_Graph_01.jpg



As you can see, even the 2 standard cars were different to each other, even though they both made 144bhp @ wheels peak, so all gains can and will be different depending on your individual car!

 

[Rich-D]

This is now Dogmauls 172 vs my Cup, again on the same rollers, on the same day...

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1076097523__Dogmaul_vs_Rich-D_RR_Graph_01.jpghttp://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/gallery/full/1076097523__Dogmaul_vs_Rich-D_RR_Graph_01.jpg



Mine was totally standard apart from a Pipercross Viper and had only done about 4500miles at the time too, so still tight and it keeps getting better!

For some reason my car has loads of mid-range power & torque, but is restricted at higher revs.

 

[Ben j]

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 06 February 2004

Quote: Originally posted by philip on 06 February 2004

Interesting, He must have a special car.

Or a special rolling road!



What were the @ wheels figures for that 196bhp run then?!

over 170 something i think. cant remember ill ask him

 

[CUPPY]

anyone know what this work is then?

 

[BUTRE]

Is this violins I here coming from the end of the tunnel?

 

[BenR]

agree..........BORED

 

[Neil82]

You all talk or are you going to tell us? Sniff Sniff whats that smell..

 

[McBunny]

my feet i think sorry

 

[Lagerlout]

No its not a cheesy foot smell... Its more..... agricultural

 

[McBunny]

oh agriculture as in farms n stuff are we talking livestock like cows and BULLS or arable corn n stuff

 

[Lunner]

Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 09 February 2004

No its not a cheesy foot smell... Its more..... agricultural

Ah that would be my armpits, sorry i only just joined the conversation, been catching up, got a bit sweaty reading through all the comments