214hp Cup (lol) is it illegal

[Phill1978]

here is a link to a car that is claimed to have 214hp but clearly does not. Is it false advertising to say your car has lots of power when it actually hasnt or is the law yet to catch up on this..

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=RENAULT&model=CLIO&variant=&keywords=&min_pr=8000&max_pr=&mileage=&agerange=&postcode=yo8+9lf&miles=1500&max_records=50&source=0&photo=1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH&start=2&distance=35&adcategory=CARS&channel=CARS&id=200519192348484Link

obviously the owner probably thinks it has this power

 

[The Big Yin]

LAD motorsport conversion says it all really

 

[Floodie]

Can someone call him, record it, enquire and question him about it, then post the conversation WAV / MP3 file plz... would love to hear him REALLY questioned about it

 

[16v_jon]

not his fault LAD told him it had 214bhp, with an open IK too?

 

[dutty_112]

my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! they said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

[Edited by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005 at 9:39am]

 

[McBunny]

Quote: Originally posted by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005
my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! tel said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

i hope your joking !!!!!! it will come back with less bhp than when it went in usually

 

[dutty_112]

^^ haha ive told him already he wont listen to me!! he test drove one and said it was quicker than his..thats convinced him

 

[Phill1978]

Quote: Originally posted by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005

my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! they said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

[Edited by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005 at 9:39am]

Quote: Originally posted by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005

my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! they said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

[Edited by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005 at 9:39am]

haha.. thats a joke isnt it ???

if its serious then this is a good chance to get the finished article on the rollers and see the actual power released by LAD

 

[KDF]

Quote: Originally posted by meggerman on 13 May 2005

Quote: Originally posted by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005

my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! they said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

[Edited by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005 at 9:39am]

Quote: Originally posted by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005

my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! they said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

[Edited by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005 at 9:39am]

haha.. thats a joke isnt it ???

if its serious then this is a good chance to get the finished article on the rollers and see the actual power lost by LAD

 

[jon_r]

lol.

 

[McBunny]

but if you hd the work done would you really be willing to rr it afterwards i know i wouldnt lol



dutty why not get him to talk to ben r and andy gdi on here ???

 

[dutty_112]

its supposedly (sorri cant spell) goin in within the next two weeks!! he know fook all about french cars...he has always been a jap person

 

[Mondial172]

Bring him to a rr day then.

Was it ture Ben and Andy asked LAD to prove the figures but they wouldnt.

Theres a LAD Cup round here - driver never flashes back.

 

[blink172]

Please please please get him on here. 214bhp and i bet they still refuse to tell you what they do. Theres a couple on here with around 210bhp and they required serious work on them, costing £2ks+

LAD monkeyspunk are sh*t and id do him a favour by slashing his tyres so he cant get there(will probably have the same performance either way). Andy and Ben are the way ahead, not some cowboy outfit that ruin cars......

 

[Phill1978]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 13 May 2005


Please please please get him on here. 214bhp and i bet they still refuse to tell you what they do. Theres a couple on here with around 210bhp and they required serious work on them, costing £2ks+

LAD monkeyspunk are sh*t and id do him a favour by slashing his tyres so he cant get there(will probably have the same performance either way). Andy and Ben are the way ahead, not some cowboy outfit that ruin cars......

agree ^^

whatever you do dont let him go to LAD. in fact direct him to this post to show him just how bad people rate them !

 

[rmccardal]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 13 May 2005


Theres a couple on here with around 210bhp and they required serious work on them, costing £2ks+

Emphasis on the +

 

[haitch]

..hey Dutty_112 ask your m8 what LAD are going to do to his car for his "conversion"...but if he is a m8 i would try harder to stop him throwing his money away

 

[Fred@BTM]

That is criminal!!!! I would STRONGLY ADVISE AVOIDING LAD at all cost!!!!!

Theyre the biggest bunch of cowboys in the car world



We asked them to prove their power claims at a independant rolling road (Power Engineering in Uxbridge)

we offered to pay for their power run + fuel costs also

they replied asking for £800 to cover travelling expensis and even wanted a night in a hotel!!!!



Should we start a petition???

 

[Darren S]

Started in 1976 by Ernie Larton, L.A.D. is a family company with over 27 years experience in the tuning business, gaining the reputation as one of the countrys leading tuning companies.

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We currently modify most Peugeot 106, 206, 306, and 406s together with Citroens Saxo VTR, Saxo VTS, and Xsara Coupe.

L.A.D Motorsport also modifies the Lotus Elise, new Mini Cooper and Renault Clio.

Road tests published in leading magazines have greatly endorsed these conversions.





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[Mondial172]

Its all bo**ocks! they reckon they can get 120bhp outta a 90bhp VTR with some changes to the head.

 

[TheRoninV6]

but does anbody have any actual proof that what LAD do is b****cks? Anybody on here driven a LAD car?

Without any real proof should we be sl*gging them off?

 

[bsimmer3000]

i have also heard bad things about l.a.d and thats not even from here. few people with 205 gtis said they had work done and their was hardly any difference in power if any.

 

[MIKE-CUP]

Quote: Originally posted by Adamf on 13 May 2005

Its all bo**ocks! they reckon they can get 120bhp outta a 90bhp VTR with some changes to the head.

Yeah. A 16V head..or a VTS as I believe they are known

 

[jongsr4]

About half way down http://members.lycos.co.uk/hot_hatches_uk/index-69.htmlthis page the bloke has some work done by LAD to his 106, by the sound of it he wasnt too impressed with LAD

 

[msa197]

Quote: Originally posted by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005
my cousin is havin a LAD conversion done to his 182cup soon! they said it would produced ruffly that amount of BHP

[Edited by dutty_112 on 13 May 2005 at 9:39am]


OK if he gets the above conversion done I would love to come along to a RR and see what or if their is a great improvement and maybe pay some costs!!!!!!!!!!!

How many people would attend this and maybe charge to watch!

 

[ellisg]

One of the 205 guys, took one of these converted engines apart, its supposed to be 130bhp increased to 160bhp.

Many parts are listed as replaced and they have a special french 160 bhp cam they put in.

Well the cam is certainly french, believed to be made by Peugeot themselves, strangely the same spec as original and its even worn the same amount as the original. Strange that.

Some of the listed new parts had the date stamped on them, 1988, conversion was in 1997. Seems slightly bizarre to have replaced new parts with parts that had same age as original ones. They were inferior parts because after a few miles they seemed to have worn to a level consistent with a 15 year old car. Strange that.

Its pretty well known that 160bhp from a 205 8v involves a lot of work.

Clio will be similar to get 200bhp+.

Make up your own minds

BTW, This is heresay, Ive not actually seen the parts myself, its just internet forum chatting.

 

[rory182]

lol throttle bodies anyone?!

 

[JayGTT]

RR figures can be doctered very easliy mine gained an extra 20 ftbl of torque and its STANDARD

 

[jonnyboy]

do a search there was a big thread, someone tried to get LAD to come to a rolling road day and they would not put their car on the rollers even when someone offered them £1 a mile travelling expenses and a hotel for the night

Ill put it simple and if its not true I invite them to sue me for libel

LAD ARE FRAUDS.

 

[White16valver]

If he is silly enough to get this done, get him onto a rolling road before he goes, recording all the variables like ambient temperature, weather, etc, and then get him back on the rolling road after.

I think Id lay money on it not making the power they claim.

 

[Tom_16v]

Just use the same set of rollers before and after.....

They will automatically adjust readings for variables like ambient temp.

 

[Fred@BTM]

nah, they just adjust the load!!!

I have reliable info saying they run their cars in 2nd gear!!!!

 

[Tom_16v]

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 13 May 2005

I have reliable info saying they run their cars in 2nd gear!!!!

Who? LAD!

LMAO!

& they still only get 214bhp!

 

[Fred@BTM]

you ever tried running a car in 2nd gear on a RR??? what the figures rise!!!

also try pumping your tyres upto 40psi, that alone will give you 5bhp!!!!!!!

 

[BRUN]

im sure we could sort your mate a free RR if he wont listen and gets this done

id chip in just to find out what it gets

 

[midge]

if he comes out and gets it rolling roaded and it isnt making the 200+ would he not be able to go back to tehm and show them that they are liers and demand his money back?

 

[dutty_112]

lol my cousin is really excited about getting this done even tho ive told him a dozen times ther sh*t! wont listen

 

[Andy GDI]

ask him to ring me, i can expalian and prove whats needed to be done..

its simply not possible to get 200 plus bhp from that engine with just headword..... and keep it in one piece for long..

the fueling is lean even with manifold matching.... starts running into the 14s , it needs to be 12.9-13 to get good reliable power...

if they are not mapping the fuel then its simply not going to work.

we have done about 20 of these now and each one is a: different and b: never got 200 from headwork alone.....

best to date is 211bhp with : cams, headwork, manifold work, exhaust, itg maxogen, smt, larger injectors....

!!

A.