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406 Brembos vs willwood 4 pots.
- Thread starter George182
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Which work fine...
I'm not going to even bother saying anymore.
he is using EBC though
First race?
Really
ok
Lol
Why not? Sorry if I'm not in the know of exactly what pads Burpspeed are running, my apologies. Burps latest write up mentions replacing pads after qualy but nothing more. No mention of make.
Like I've said, I really cant be bothered. Speak to Tony about them.
'Fred knows best also...'
'Fred knows best also...'
this is true
Is that s**t on your nose :rasp:!!!
Thats Fred's opinion, 4 pots will always be an 'upgrade' over a single piston calliper if not for overall performance then for heat dissipation. Everyone I have spoke to that 'really' drives there car has had fade issues. Most of CS need not apply.
oh i agree 4pots are better, but still not a must, i never had fade issues in the Yoz monster and that thing didn't hang about
PF08s are where its at
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Far from it. It's whats called sarcasm.
I agree there's benefits to 4 pots, I've never once said otherwise. Though IMO they're not worth the money (unless you're minted, then go all out!).
I can tell you now that I know more than a dozen people on CS that do trackdays/race who will say they have never had fade on standard calipers with aftermarket pads. That includes using EBC Bluestuffs(myself and Burpspeed use these for reference), even mediocre Ferrodo DS2500's! I can tell you also that we drive our cars hard and for long periods on track but most don't feel the need to come on here to say it, primarily because most of the time they'll be told they're 'wrong', by people who clearly are unable to drive smoothly / people that think they know better.
I think I've said enough, completely off topic as well. Apologies
Nick
Have heard PF97's are 'the' pad of choice and do take a killing (pads do complete setup doesn't) and I have some to test when I get going, wont need 4 pots at knockhill as there's only one braking zone really In a slow little Clio although I am interested in good 4 pots that go under 15" wheels and don't cost a few limbs for when I go down south.
Anyway back on topic,
Anyway back on topic,
172 Rally Car
Little harsh mate - just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean they don't exist
_WILL_
ClioSport Club Member
172 Cup
They are running good discs and pads and good cooling setup?
Most have been Brembo HC/DS2500/carbon lorraine combos and not sure on cooling tbh, probably fog lights out as most do but I'm not sure how much that does without the ducting and deflectors.
Fade or not has alot to do with how you brake as well .... those who race will spend enough time on the brakes and no more ..... fast road drivers and alot of trackday drivers spend way to long on the pedal.
Fact !!
Over braking instead of carrying the speed.
I have run willwood powerlites before ...wasnt impressed
Pads are REALLY small aren't they.
I ran Willwood Midlights and liked them the bleed nipples are shite though. I bought mine second hand and used standard discs.
i had powerlights when they were fairly new out , and ran 8mm thick lightened discs and bells , pad selection wasn't great and thus ended up snatchy
Same. It's nice buying pads for £50 a set instead of £120 a set
It's weird people also don't mention the massive loss of unsprung mass on the front and how that effects handling.
My calipers, bells and rotors weigh less than just the old discs on their own and you can definitely feel it when turning in
agree, but this is CS not billionaire boys club
I actually only bought my 4pot setup with bells and rotors because the weight of all the 20's in my wallet was slowing my lap times down
With the oz f1 in particular and with 15" rims in general on a Clio how much you space them out makes a big difference to what disks you can run due to the offset of the disk you are limited to.
I wanted to space mine 25mm anyway but have been forced to go to minimum of 30mm for brake clearance.
With 30mm spacers I've fitted a 24*300mm disk and a 6 pot caliper under the standard oz f1.
Welcome back Chip, missed having debates even though your so pedantic.
Yeah same goes with most 15" wheels, they have a large band just behind the spokes which reduces the caliper/disk combo possible.
Have you tried your 1.2's on yet, I'm sure they will give the best scope for upgrading and not needing huge spacers.
I know you want to run oz f1's but I'm thinking of changing.
Thanks, its good to be back.
Im so OCD about things being factual that I take pedantic as a compliment
Not got them anymore mate. We sold all of the few different types of wheel we did have and bought 40 odd oz f1 instead to keep things simple with different tyres and fitting to the different cars etc. this way we just have a pile of wet and a pile of dry and can sling any of them on each of the 3 clios as appropriate. Only exception is a set of Turinis.
Im so OCD about things being factual that I take pedantic as a compliment
Not got them anymore mate. We sold all of the few different types of wheel we did have and bought 40 odd oz f1 instead to keep things simple with different tyres and fitting to the different cars etc. this way we just have a pile of wet and a pile of dry and can sling any of them on each of the 3 clios as appropriate. Only exception is a set of Turinis.
That's a shame, I'm going to come up with a cheaper bolt on kit soon using FRP Alcon's or more readily available callipers so its probably best to develop them for 2118's as that have the tightest tolerances likely to be seen IMO. I will make brackets to suit 280mm standard disks and 300mm scenic disks while I'm at it. Can you recommend any good readily available radial mount callipers that are from a production car?
Porsche 993 stuff is fairly readily available, is radial mount and is very good quality:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-9...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item257a1f1306
Not sure how well they would sit on a disk as small as a 280mm though, when we used them on my mates car it was a 305mm disk IIRC and they sat quite well on that.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-9...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item257a1f1306
Not sure how well they would sit on a disk as small as a 280mm though, when we used them on my mates car it was a 305mm disk IIRC and they sat quite well on that.
Lol, Yeah it adds a few cool points I guess!
They are for quite a wide disk which helps with getting mass into them without needing bigger diameter, so you could maybe use a 280mm * 32mm disk or similar to end up with more mass than I have on a 300*24 scenic disk, but obviously finding the right disk cheap might not be so easy.
They are for quite a wide disk which helps with getting mass into them without needing bigger diameter, so you could maybe use a 280mm * 32mm disk or similar to end up with more mass than I have on a 300*24 scenic disk, but obviously finding the right disk cheap might not be so easy.
Been speaking to ap racing and that thickness of disks is something I want to stay away from, muchos money. Double the price of those linked calipers just doesn't make sense. The only way a homebrew kit would sell in good numbers would be using standard disks or scenic ones, too cheap to ignore.
Ive taken apart 4 pots before and altered the spacing between the two halves so they run on a narrower disk, its not very difficult normally to do so.
So you could just take the spacer out the middle, and make a new one 8mm thinner or get it milled down 8mm, then knock up some new balance pipes.
Obvioulsy if you want to sell a bracket people can just bolt on though you cant expect them to do all that, but fine for doing your own ones if you are slightly engineering savvy.
I cant think of a decent and readily available cheaply radial mount caliper already designed for a 24mm disk off the top of my head TBH, so hopefully someone else will have a better suggestion for you than the porker ones I mentioned
