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430hp R26.R Dyno Graph :)
- Thread starter RSTuning
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Goes without saying. Extreme mode on, of course.
CBR1K, F21 125D
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
Tigra
That is really impressive and blows the tuning curve of FWD cars wide open. How's the torque steer or does the LSD manage it?
so you just added on 16% for trans loss like every rolling road does??
why not just say "its 370 bhp at the wheels" as the trans figure is a guessed figure! you don't nor does any other rolling road know what the trans loss is lol! unless you take the engine out and stick it on an engine dyno... then feel free to say its whatever fly power it makes... i know 430 sounds better than 370 for bragging rights but 370 is the power that the car is making, the engine could be making 1000bhp... but it can't put that through the car and the wheels with trans loss etc... I'm not hating or slagging you off but 370 is the power the road will see.
why not just say "its 370 bhp at the wheels" as the trans figure is a guessed figure! you don't nor does any other rolling road know what the trans loss is lol! unless you take the engine out and stick it on an engine dyno... then feel free to say its whatever fly power it makes... i know 430 sounds better than 370 for bragging rights but 370 is the power that the car is making, the engine could be making 1000bhp... but it can't put that through the car and the wheels with trans loss etc... I'm not hating or slagging you off but 370 is the power the road will see.
FFS, when did he want to brag? or make out it was this and that.
all he did was post up a graph of work he's done on his own car and the negatives just fly in... nevermind the fact it seems certain people are telling paul how to do/build/conduct things with his build.
be good to see what you can push it too paul after fuel pumps sorted and uprated, up the bar and you'll easily see 500!
all he did was post up a graph of work he's done on his own car and the negatives just fly in... nevermind the fact it seems certain people are telling paul how to do/build/conduct things with his build.
be good to see what you can push it too paul after fuel pumps sorted and uprated, up the bar and you'll easily see 500!
Sorry Naith but Alice's point is valid. Just about every other country quotes Power at the wheels and rightly so.
wow you need to go chill out...
the fact is the AT THE FLY figure cannot be measured on a rolling road! it measures the AT THE WHEELS figure, then the operator adds a percentage normally 16-18% for a fwd or rwd car then the graph gets remade by the computer to show the AT THE FLY figure... Naith when you actually know about tuning and rolling roads and power figures and how it all works come back and we can have a chat... until then get off the soap box
The guy that explodes if something isnt JDM and made with the blood of a japanese virgin tells me i need to calm down?
i'm calm, trust me. just find it funny how you are telling an internationally renowned tuner how and what to do with posting up figures and specifics on his own car...
you need to stop being a patronising boy, i'll go out and learn about cars whilst you do.
i'm calm, trust me. just find it funny how you are telling an internationally renowned tuner how and what to do with posting up figures and specifics on his own car...
you need to stop being a patronising boy, i'll go out and learn about cars whilst you do.
lol ok mate, fair play, in that case lets all go to a rolling road and make up figures, a tuner should be displaying the at the WHEELS figures, not the fly figures, just like every other big tuner does!
bearing in mind i work for a tuner and i know what the f**k I'm talking about... i wouldn't comment otherwise...
sorry to rs tuning, didn't mean it to go off on one like this, and no way am i taking away from what you have achieved, its good to see that people are pushing things further than sticking turini's on everything...
bearing in mind i work for a tuner and i know what the f**k I'm talking about... i wouldn't comment otherwise...
sorry to rs tuning, didn't mean it to go off on one like this, and no way am i taking away from what you have achieved, its good to see that people are pushing things further than sticking turini's on everything...
david hodson
ClioSport Club Member
Good WHP paul 
Not at all Paul. Most of the Yank, Aus and Jap Nissans I have seen graphs for quote relative ATW figures to what a respected UK dyno would.
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
Ok, you have seen different examples to me then but even so it's rare in the UK for wheel figures to be quoted.
I could go out tomorrow and put the car on a dyno that shows much higher numbers but i posted this as progress on my own car on my own dyno.
Next time i'll make sure i post only wheel figures so the dyno police dont get me
I could go out tomorrow and put the car on a dyno that shows much higher numbers but i posted this as progress on my own car on my own dyno.
Next time i'll make sure i post only wheel figures so the dyno police dont get me
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Next time i'll make sure i post only wheel figures so the dyno police dont get me
Well at least they actually mean something other than a generic calculation
david hodson
ClioSport Club Member
When i had my car mapped at Rs tuning i got both flywheel and also at the wheel graphs , so paul does them , just hasnt posted them on here
I know Paul does them, what we're saying is in the real world, fly figures mean jack s**t.
But a fly figure only means something if it's actually been taken from the flywheel on an engine dyno. Any fly figure calculated from the wheels is just that, a calculation. I know Dynodnamics are one of the conservative dynos for calculating flywheel figures, but it's still not an actual figure, is it.
That's all we're saying, that the wheel power is the only true figure you can give us.
That's all we're saying, that the wheel power is the only true figure you can give us.
I never said it was a fair comparison from dyno to dyno, just it's an actual figure that's being read, not one that's been made up from another figure by running it through an equation.
In short, it means more in the real world.
In short, it means more in the real world.
Yeah sure, but then same car, same dyno, different day = different figure. We could go on forever with the variables.
At the end of the day, I'd still rather see the UK quote wheel figures rather than fly figures, but this seems to come with a lot of scepticism because it's a lesser figure.
At the end of the day, I'd still rather see the UK quote wheel figures rather than fly figures, but this seems to come with a lot of scepticism because it's a lesser figure.
:lolup:
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
That's why I use shootout as all variables an operator can normally change are locked and you make sure it's repeatable no matter where it says the figure is from!
I'd be confident in saying that on an engine Dyno the fly figure I posted in this thread will be +-10hp at the same boost. Espespecially looking at the turbo comp map....
I'd be confident in saying that on an engine Dyno the fly figure I posted in this thread will be +-10hp at the same boost. Espespecially looking at the turbo comp map....
