alternative disks to brembo max

[MG cup]

Why do you need to run with cup racer 2118's with that offset?

I'm just looking at using standard discs for simplicity, they may work with others with different brackets.

Ill need to have a play and see what will work when I get them.

They're the right offset for my suspension geomatery, scrub radius etc. I have spent too much on buying/fitting it all to put on wheel spacers and throw it all to pot.

I also like the idea of standard disks (as that's what my BBK runs just now) but it just isn't going to work.

280mm kit is really difficult to make if you are using radial mount callipers, you have to be very specific of bolt spacing. Have you seen my 280mm brackets? They're at the limits of machining.

 

[Cupman29]

Yeah, seen your mounts. The calipers I will be using are lug mounted rather radial so should be easier to mount.

 

[MG cup]

V6 lug mount AP's bolt straight to 1*2 hubs supposedly, not sure on the offset's though plus they are 300mm iirc.

 

[Cupman29]

They will also be ££££!

 

[MG cup]

From a Clio V6, come up cheap now and again. If you find a cheap 130mm centre radial mount then let me know

 

[Nik]

all you need is stock calipers, plain discs and PF97 pads - the end

^^ This! I can't see how you could stop any better than that to be honest, without driving into a brick wall.

Disks every race though for the last of the late brakers!!!

True, I did used to get through about 4 sets of brembo discs for every set of PF97's. But hey they are cheap enough to replace.

 

[MG cup]

Yeah I'm going to try them for a start Nik with decent cooling as I have never heard a bad word about them other than destroying disks for fun, oh and paintwork but care.

 

[Fred@BTM]

there's nothing wrong with any brake pad or disc, the problem is always the organic control until behind the wheel

 

[MicKPM]

there's nothing wrong with any brake pad or disc, the problem is always the organic control until behind the wheel

Are you saying that SBridgey is a smidge too aggressive on the brakes Fred?

 

[Tony Hunter]

Just couldn't get along with the PF97's, although they did pop your eyeballs aout.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

DS2500 seemed ok on my last trackday but nothing brilliant. Haven't had an issue with them previously but I've always ran grooved discs, now on normal Brembo HC discs they don't seem as good. Maybe DS2500 like grooved discs??

I find yellowstuff really wooden, don't like the pedal feel with them at all.

I fancy trying the RC5+ next or Mintex 1155.

 

[MG cup]

Yeah but the thing is you want to build a car to deal with the organic control unit and not the organic control unit having to deal with the car.

 

[Advikaz]

Yeah but the thing is you want to build a car to deal with the organic control unit and not the organic control unit having to deal with the car.

Probably easier to adapt your driving style tbh...

 

[Fred@BTM]

isn't that the whole point of driving?

if you're cooking brakes i dunno, lets say EBC rainbows and someone else can punt it round in the same time as you with standards its obviously the OCU at fault

the majority of issues i see (instructor hat on here) are people overbraking thinking its the quickest way round, last second hero stops - its not


also on track days people go out for way too long (20min+), again that cooks the brakes, and then do 1/3 of a lap cool down - stupid

short tracks like KH, you need to be doing 2laps without touching the brakes as a cool down AND heal + toe - another reason people cook brakes

 

[Advikaz]

isn't that the whole point of driving?

if you're cooking brakes i dunno, lets say EBC rainbows and someone else can punt it round in the same time as you with standards its obviously the OCU at fault

the majority of issues i see (instructor hat on here) are people overbraking thinking its the quickest way round, last second hero stops - its not


also on track days people go out for way too long (20min+), again that cooks the brakes, and then do 1/3 of a lap cool down - stupid

short tracks like KH, you need to be doing 2laps without touching the brakes as a cool down AND heal + toe - another reason people cook brakes

+1 People love dragging that brake, think its a safety thing for them.

 

[MG cup]

isn't that the whole point of driving?

if you're cooking brakes i dunno, lets say EBC rainbows and someone else can punt it round in the same time as you with standards its obviously the OCU at fault

the majority of issues i see (instructor hat on here) are people overbraking thinking its the quickest way round, last second hero stops - its not


also on track days people go out for way too long (20min+), again that cooks the brakes, and then do 1/3 of a lap cool down - stupid

short tracks like KH, you need to be doing 2laps without touching the brakes as a cool down AND heal + toe - another reason people cook brakes

Yeah very true but if theres the same type of car doing similar with no issues you know theres improvements to be made to your car.

I'm only speaking in my case here where it is faster to be billy big balls at the Knockhill hairpin which is what cooks MY brakes, everywhere else is just dabs on the brakes except the bottom of duffus .I try to take the view of slow in fast out but my current car with just springs doesn't have the ability to do it so it gets thrown around for the same affect.

If your meaning heel and toe causes mire heat then I don't heel & toe at Knockhill. At the hairpin I like the extra engine braking and Duffus it gets the front tucked in and back end coming round for you.

Also Knockhill is a known car killer as its such a short lap with corner cutting everything gets abused and no time to rest, every last ft counts in the braking zones.

 

[Fred@BTM]

heal and toe causes less stress on the brakes, just hitting the brake and lifting the clutch is a bad idea! I like "backing it in" but its a brave way to drive LOL slows the car down nicely though

 

[MG cup]

It also creates lock ups easier if your harsh too with the clutch. I try to feather the clutch in and out, its effective but kills clutches. In the rain I prefer to heel and toe more for above reasons.

I just like to drive on the limit I suppose, I guess the difference is at KH you have to grab the car by the scruff of the neck and throw it round where as the same wont apply on the more flowing southern circuits. I'm sure I wouldn't have half the brake problems and as much oversteer down there. Time will tell.

 

[Advikaz]

Same with flat shift boxes, still use the clutch on the way down regardless. They say with some you don't have to, but especially in the wet it really upsets the car under braking.

 

[Fred@BTM]

what times do you do round there? 66ish?

 

[MG cup]

what times do you do round there? 66ish?

Yeah 65's 66's consistently but when the when the weathers good 64's with a passnger and I have dipped into the 63's once or twice by myself, my car is a full road car mind with springs/rarb/brakes and no lightening at all, in fact its heavier with the half/leather alacantra interior and toolkit and oil I carry lol.

Minis do consistent 63's with 130bhp/1075kg and the clio's murder them in the straights so I think there's a sub minute time in my racecar on semi slicks.