Am I doing the right thing!

[Cerrone]

Some of you know my rb182 I’ve had it some years now, I’ve always said I wouldn’t sell it but I’m currently really toying with the idea of a ph1 172. There is one that I keep finding myself looking at online and on Saturday I’m working 20 minuets from where it is up for sale. I know if I go and view it I will love it. But I also know what my 182 has had done to it and what it’s problems are which (touch wood.) are very few. If I do go is there anything I can look out for or if anyone has any suggestions of what to look for I’d be grateful as I’m completely new to ph1’s. It’s at a dealership and is slightly over priced but if it’s as perfect as the advert says it is I don’t know what I will do! Thanks in advance.

 

[JamesBryan]

Rust! Inside of the sills, but you need the rear inside door cards/trim off to see properly.

Apart from that they're not that different from the 182.

Some have issues with the idle control valve with it being cable throttle.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Nope. I know Ph1s are normally quick but besides the longer FD (touch too short IMO on the Ph2s for a road car) and cable throttle, the 182 has it beat in every aspect.

 

[Cerrone]

Rust! Inside of the sills, but you need the rear inside door cards/trim off to see properly.

Apart from that they're not that different from the 182.

Some have issues with the idle control valve with it being cable throttle.

Yea I was wondering if asking to take the inside trim off at the garage is a bit too much :laughing:

 

[imprezaworks]

Link to phase 1?.

 

[Djw John]

Tbf, 182s will rust just the same, they're just a few years younger.

Having owned a few of each I find it really difficult to advise tbh! Love my ph1 hence having it for most of the last 10 years, loved my rb cup with some ff bits. 182 was the better daily but before I ruined the flamer it did daily duties for about 8 years.

 

[Darren S]

Rust! Inside of the sills, but you need the rear inside door cards/trim off to see properly.

Apart from that they're not that different from the 182.

Some have issues with the idle control valve with it being cable throttle.

James - is there a guide on here to remove the trim properly? I have a set of trim removal tools at home, but would prefer a little guidance before approaching it like a neanderthal with a club.

Thanks.

 

[Cerrone]

Tbf, 182s will rust just the same, they're just a few years younger.

Having owned a few of each I find it really difficult to advise tbh! Love my ph1 hence having it for most of the last 10 years, loved my rb cup with some ff bits. 182 was the better daily but before I ruined the flamer it did daily duties for about 8 years.

i don’t use the car as a daily and don’t do many miles a year. Just loving the looks of the ph1 at the minute and to find one in mint condition is rare now!

 

[Djw John]

Defo worth the look then. See if you can live with the dash!

 

[Cerrone]

Defo worth the look then. See if you can live with the dash!

That is the one thing I’m not a fan of! But the front end does make up for it!

 

[Djw John]

Yeah I'd agree with that.
What colour is it?

 

[Budgie]

James - is there a guide on here to remove the trim properly? I have a set of trim removal tools at home, but would prefer a little guidance before approaching it like a neanderthal with a club.

Thanks.

It's been years since i've had a rear door card out, but pretty sure you lift up the bottom of the seat, unclipm it at the top with your hands and with a torch you should be able to bend it out far enough to see where you need to.

 

[Cerrone]

Yeah I'd agree with that.
What colour is it?

Odyssey Blue

 

[JamesBryan]

It's been years since i've had a rear door card out, but pretty sure you lift up the bottom of the seat, unclipm it at the top with your hands and with a torch you should be able to bend it out far enough to see where you need to.

Pretty much this.

They're on those pop clip things mostly i think from memory.

 

[Budgie]

To take the card out properly, you need a 17mm socket to remove the rear belt, and then torx keys for the speaker, but they can stay in if you just want to bend it out a few inches to have a peek behind.

 

[Djw John]

To take the card out properly, you need a 17mm socket to remove the rear belt, and then torx keys for the speaker, but they can stay in if you just want to bend it out a few inches to have a peek behind.

Nearly, you also need a T40 for the bottom of the front belt and you can leave the speaker in and just unplug it. I kinda envy you that you've moved on from clios enough to forget!

 

[Darren S]

Thanks for the info chaps - I’ll have a look at that some point soon.

Interesting that James mentions those pop clip things. I think one of them has come loose as there’s the occasional rattle at certain revs. I notice it a lot more with the rear seat down - so it could be some boot area trim?

 

[c4pob]

Why not do a front end swap on your 182? That way you will have the ph2 dash and complete knowledge of the car (and you can always swap back in the future if you wanted?

 

[Djw John]

Why not do a front end swap on your 182? That way you will have the ph2 dash and complete knowledge of the car (and you can always swap back in the future if you wanted?

Cos it's a pain in the dick to do well mostly!

 

[Budgie]

Nearly, you also need a T40 for the bottom of the front belt and you can leave the speaker in and just unplug it. I kinda envy you that you've moved on from clios enough to forget! :wink:

Haha! I haven't picked up a spanner in about 18 months now, it's been lovely.

 

[Cerrone]

Why not do a front end swap on your 182? That way you will have the ph2 dash and complete knowledge of the car (and you can always swap back in the future if you wanted?

Not my cup of tea really, for me it’s all about the car being standard and original!

 

[JamesBryan]

Thanks for the info chaps - I’ll have a look at that some point soon.

Interesting that James mentions those pop clip things. I think one of them has come loose as there’s the occasional rattle at certain revs. I notice it a lot more with the rear seat down - so it could be some boot area trim?

Quite possibly mate, the whole interior is held on with the f*****s 😂

 

[Coops Mk1]

ai mainly just check for rust, inside petrol filler cap too where the thing bolts in can be a sign. think you can just remove the speakers and pop phonecamera into sill to take a pic and see
sticky throttle can be cable or body itself
then its just normal clio mk2 stuff on top of that, belt history, gearbox crunches, etc etc.

 

[Coops Mk1]

if its the one at Orion as well then it looks bloody lovely if as you say at the very top end of the spectrum of pricing!

 

[Cerrone]

if its the one at Orion as well then it looks bloody lovely if as you say at the very top end of the spectrum of pricing!

That’s the one! Way over priced but worth a little look...... that’s what I keep telling myself anyway:laughing: when you say about the sticky throttle, is the best way to check that by hand under the bonnet or by the pedal?

 

[Coops Mk1]

test drive, you'll see it overrev when you drop clutch and let off the power to junctions etc
can sometime feel it as hesitancy when accelerating etc as well

 

[Cerrone]

test drive, you'll see it overrev when you drop clutch and let off the power to junctions etc
can sometime feel it as hesitancy when accelerating etc as well

Thank you :up:

 

[Coops Mk1]

no worries, be interested to see how this turns out and how clean the car is for the mileage. i'd expect it to be immaculate and rust free etc.
keep us posted!

 

[Cerrone]

no worries, be interested to see how this turns out and how clean the car is for the mileage. i'd expect it to be immaculate and rust free etc.
keep us posted!

Yea I’m hoping it’s as good as it should be but we will see. Still not sure what I really want as I’ve had my Clio 7 years but if it is perfect and the price is (very) movable I don’t know what will happen!

 

[cat171]

Do you have a link to it ? How much is it up for ?

 

[Coops Mk1]

i'm in the slightly enviable position of owning both an RB and an Odyssey Phase 1, caught in a corner I have no idea which i'd say i'd keep as I love them both for completely different reasons.
I've had the RB for 6 years now nearly and the Odyssey for just under a year, along with a couple of mk1 clios one of which I've had over 10 years as well, lol!

 

[Cerrone]

i'm in the slightly enviable position of owning both an RB and an Odyssey Phase 1, caught in a corner I have no idea which i'd say i'd keep as I love them both for completely different reasons.
I've had the RB for 6 years now nearly and the Odyssey for just under a year, along with a couple of mk1 clios one of which I've had over 10 years as well, lol!

If it was this time next year or this time last year I would be able to keep my 182 and be able to look into a ph1 this year with buying a house I just can’t afford two cars. I wasn’t looking to get a new car just came across this!m, and have always liked the ph1’s I just hope I don’t regret any decision made this time next year!

 

[gez 172]

Just be careful with the garage that's selling it, it's changed names quite a few times. I don't know if it's the same owners now, but it was a father and son running it.

 

[Cerrone]

Just be careful with the garage that's selling it, it's changed names quite a few times. I don't know if it's the same owners now, but it was a father and son running it.

Thanks for the heads up! I’m going “only” to look. The other cars they are selling are impressive!

 

[gez 172]

Thanks for the heads up! I’m going “only” to look. The other cars they are selling are impressive!

If it's the same people, the father is quite arrogant, doesn't believe in test drives etc. Expects you to just hand cash over.

 

[Coops Mk1]

doesn't believe in test drives etc. Expects you to just hand cash over.

in a word f**k that!

 

[Cerrone]

If it's the same people, the father is quite arrogant, doesn't believe in test drives etc. Expects you to just hand cash over.

He can expect me to walk away then!

 

[Jekyll]

I love a ph1. If I had the chance of buy another. I do think the 182 is a better daily, but the ph1 is cooler looking.

The rust on the inside and the sticky throttle are the only real issues that differ from looking for stuff that you would on a 182.

Your 182 will get good money back also, being a desirable colour in good condition with low mileage.

I found my ph1 to feel more raw but it was hard to describe how. It also feels smaller too.

 

[imprezaworks]

What’s the miles on the rb?

@The Beardo is after one

 

[davo172]

That’s the one! Way over priced but worth a little look...... that’s what I keep telling myself anyway:laughing: when you say about the sticky throttle, is the best way to check that by hand under the bonnet or by the pedal?

Will need to be real tidy if your going to buy it! Give you 300 for that old blue one !? :tonguewink: