Another Example of Poor Workmanship...

[Cooksport]

Renault R26 - Engine oil filter fitted during a service by a well known "specialist".

We will not be naming the particular company who carried out the work on the car. If the customer decides to name and shame, that is up to him!

Engine has completely seized solid!

 

[Alastair.]

oh feking dear.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I'm not convinced you have considered the bigger picture?

What do you think is poor workmanship about that?

Obviously looks bad the rubber hanging out but to me it looks potentially like a symptom not a cause, I've seen them do that when the oil pressure relief valve has seized, the rubber is the first thing to yield when far too much pressure goes through it.

 

[Fred@BTM]

what make is that filter? doesn't look OE

 

[pingpong]

I don't understand why would you publish this, it lacks professionalism and it only encourages a bitter atmosphere between traders / within the forum.

 

[Cooksport]

That is an option, we couldnt rule it out. However having stripped the pump, everything seems operational. Also the engine war perfectly healthy before the service, travelled a short distance after, only for this to happen.

Like I said, its a possibility the relief valve was stuck, but its fine now.

Its a possibility chip, but given the information in hand... I know where i would put my money..

 

[Fred@BTM]

yeah f**k you Josh! (i'm not a trader )

 

[Alastair.]

I don't understand why would you publish this, it only encourages a bitter atmosphere between traders / within the forum.

But it would be ok to post it if it was fitted at Renault?

 

[Cooksport]

I don't understand why would you publish this, it only encourages a bitter atmosphere between traders / within the forum.

We havent named any traders, I didnt even say they were registerd on the forum!

We have no bitter atmosphere with any forum trader, in fact we get on well with each trader we have had experience with.

 

[Cooksport]

yeah f**k you Josh! (i'm not a trader )

lol! thats fine then! f**k you back!

 

[imprezaworks]

Is the company up north?

 

[pingpong]

We havent named any traders, I didnt even say they were registerd on the forum!

We have no bitter atmosphere with any forum trader, in fact we get on well with each trader we have had experience with.

No, but what you are doing is provoking the inevitable 'who-dunnit'... See the post above this one.

Who does this help publishing this?

 

[Bluebeard]

I don't understand why would you publish this, it lacks professionalism and it only encourages a bitter atmosphere between traders / within the forum.

He published it because its a car forum.

It doesn't lack professionalism, because he hasn't named anyone.

How can it cause a bitter atmosphere if he hasn't named anyone?

 

[aucky]

In a way it adds a sense of responsibility to the traders to provide a good service. It would however have been more constructive to post what the accused trader's response was (if unacceptable) imo.

 

[imprezaworks]

No, but what you are doing is provoking the inevitable 'who-dunnit'... See the post above this one.

Who does this help publishing this?

Do you work for the company lol.

 

[Andyk1801]

And to add to that ^^^ no body even knows who's car it is.. So will have no idea where or who worked on it last.

 

[pingpong]

Yes I work for the company.

Can appreciate your perspectives, but I disagree; I can't see any reason why a pro trader should be publishing other traders would be mistakes without grounding. Keep your head down, get on with the job.

All IMO of course.

 

[Cooksport]

The idea of this is to educate some of the forum members, Make sure you use a well known specialist.

The company in question are not registerd on the forum.

 

[imprezaworks]

One guess....then I will shut up. Nwp?

 

[pingpong]

But you state it was a well know specialist that carried out the work?

 

[MartinR]

Just spill the beans

 

[Fred@BTM]

I don't get the problem, i must've put up hundreds of pictures of F4R's with incorrect timing, nowt wrong with that?

 

[Cooksport]

Sorry, maybe "well known" was a bit too misleading... maybe just "known" would be more appropriate.


I can see why traders are disappearing off here now...

 

[imprezaworks]

If the guy who owns the car is on here, give him a nudge and tell us.

 

[Luke.]

Threads like this open peoples eyes up to what can happen in certain places and 'monkeys' they have working for them.. this issue above is just a TINY little thing compared to some of the things that go on..

I have seen numerous other companys do exactly the same as this on this forum and all over facebook and twitter so why should issues like this not be made public..

This is a perfect example of why I service my car myself..

 

[Bluebeard]

If the guy who owns the car is on here, give him a nudge and tell us.

Is there any real need for the witch hunt? You're like a dog with a bone.

 

[Fred@BTM]

^video of you slapping yourself in future required?

 

[Cooksport]

^video of you slapping yourself in future required?

+1

 

[imprezaworks]

Eh?

 

[imprezaworks]

Is there any real need for the witch hunt? You're like a dog with a bone.

Ok

 

[.GAZ.]

FPMSL @ this.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I don't mind people doing name and shame threads. But I just don't see how there is any hard evidence of anything being done wrong here just from those pictures, especially as like I said I have personally seen the same happen when the filter was done up correctly but there was a fault elsewhere.
Thus thread reads like a desperate attempt to gain credibility for a new business by trying to shout about being better than a nameless trader, surely it would be better to just build a solid reputation over time through good work like young Frederick has done for example rather than to try and shortcut the process, especially with so little real evidence anyway of there being a problem?

Lets face it oil filters don't even need to be particularly tight so it seems pretty unlikely a trader would really make that sort of schoolboy error, my mrs can change an oil filter so it's hardly a difficult feat, so to point out one trader can and one can't seems daft. If it really was the problem that the filter that wasnt tightened I doubt that is anything other than an honest mistake and not indicative of an inability to tighten one. Lets face it if you work on enough cars then its guaranteed you'll make a few mistakes in the process, same as any other job tbh.

 

[McGherkin]

For all you know, a new guy may have done that and the specialist may be completely willing to do whatever it takes to get it running perfectly again.

I don't like it when one side of the story is told without the other side having a chance to respond.

 

[Budgie]

I have no experience with Megane's.. Is the section of the filter visible from the top?
If so, it's either a **** up and the cause or a reaction to a failure elsewhere..

 

[Cooksport]

I don't mind people doing name and shame threads. But I just don't see how there is any hard evidence of anything being done wrong here just from those pictures, especially as like I said I have personally seen the same happen when the filter was done up correctly but there was a fault elsewhere.
Thus thread reads like a desperate attempt to gain credibility for a new business by trying to shout about being better than a nameless trader, surely it would be better to just build a solid reputation over time through good work like young Frederick has done for example rather than to try and shortcut the process, especially with so little real evidence anyway of there being a problem?

Lets face it oil filters don't even need to be particularly tight so it seems pretty unlikely a trader would really make that sort of schoolboy error, my mrs can change an oil filter so it's hardly a difficult feat, so to point out one trader can and one can't seems daft. If it really was the problem that the filter that wasnt tightened I doubt that is anything other than an honest mistake and not indicative of an inability to tighten one. Lets face it if you work on enough cars then its guaranteed you'll make a few mistakes in the process, same as any other job tbh.

I refuse to get into an arguement over this. We have stripped the engine, and we KNOW what we are looking at. Gaining credability....over what.. noticing it?

Of course there is always a possibility that something else caused this, just most faults on a car. However it is MUCH more likely that the filter was fitted incorrectly as I know the distances travelled since the filter was fitted.

I will be sure to keep all of our experiences to ourselves in the future. Its more hassle than its worth.

 

[Luke.]

I refuse to get into an arguement over this. We have stripped the engine, and we KNOW what we are looking at. Gaining credability....over what.. noticing it?

Of course there is always a possibility that something else caused this, just most faults on a car. However it is MUCH more likely that the filter was fitted incorrectly as I know the distances travelled since the filter was fitted.

I will be sure to keep all of our experiences to ourselves in the future. Its more hassle than its worth.

Gotta agree with this..

If anything it was an eye opener as to what can happen.. So people need to be weary of such faults as the result of this can be fatal

 

[Chris_ZS]

Just proves to me why it's important to get things done by people who know what they're doing.

Dont' see the problem in that, especially good for newbies who we're thinking about getting something done on the cheap by some backstreet knob end.

 

[Chip-mk1]

You said on the last page there was a possibility it was a symptom not a cause now you are saying the opposite and you are certain what happened. sorry but I'm just not convinced you actually know what happened. It's not uncommon for the pressure relief valve to stick for a bit and cause a problem and then to unstick, seen it all before and I don't like it when people just point a finger at the first thing they see, made the same mistake myself years ago when this happened to me on a car, saw the rubber out an thought "oh my god I can't believe I didn't do the filter up properly, I would have put money I wouldn't make a mistake like that"
I then fitted another filter and you can imagine how thorough I was about it that time and guess what as soon as the engine revved it did the same again.
So I fitted an oil pressure gauge, and ran it up again with a 3rd filter and this time I could see exactly what the real problem was, pinged straight off the end of the gauge when the revs went up. Stripped the pump and by then the valve had unstuck again and looked ok. Fitted new pump, problem solved.

So I honestly don't believe you can say with certainty what happened there unless you used a time machine to go back and check the oil pressure when it happened if the engine seized and hence couldn't be tested.

 

[Lawro]

This has nothing to do with name and shaming IMO and I think the fact Josh has not mentioned the company in question shows professionalism! The point of a thread like this is to show the poor workmanship some companies are sending out the door..

 

[welshname]

You said on the last page there was a possibility it was a symptom not a cause now you are saying the opposite and you are certain what happened. sorry but I'm just not convinced you actually know what happened. It's not uncommon for the pressure relief valve to stick for a bit and cause a problem and then to unstick, seen it all before and I don't like it when people just point a finger at the first thing they see, made the same mistake myself years ago when this happened to me on a car, saw the rubber out an thought "oh my god I can't believe I didn't do the filter up properly, I would have put money I wouldn't make a mistake like that"
I then fitted another filter and you can imagine how thorough I was about it that time and guess what as soon as the engine revved it did the same again.
So I fitted an oil pressure gauge, and ran it up again with a 3rd filter and this time I could see exactly what the real problem was, pinged straight off the end of the gauge when the revs went up. Stripped the pump and by then the valve had unstuck again and looked ok. Fitted new pump, problem solved.

So I honestly don't believe you can say with certainty what happened there unless you used a time machine to go back and check the oil pressure when it happened if the engine seized and hence couldn't be tested.

Wait a second, Chip. Isn't this exactly what you did in the Big Ash build thread?

Jumped all over something giving someone a bad name when there is no certainty as to what happened?