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Are old style plates legal?



Are the old style plates (black with greyish text) legal on modern cars? The police around here are very lenient when it comes to things like tints and different fonts on plates. Im guessing it would fail an mot with them though?

Just been having a look on fancyplates.com and thought they'd look pretty cool.
 
  Clio 182 Trophy 047/500
NO YOU CANT. The police will be cracking down on all illegal number plates more than they did previously. Basically if your plate does not conform to the below, you may be up for a £30 fine.

Oh and with the new MOT System, you can fail, as my friends dad has a 1974 MG with black plates, but the law changed in 73.


NUMBER PLATES FITTED AFTER 1 SEPTEMBER 2001
Number plates fitted after 1 September 2001 must display characters that meet the dimensions shown below.

Characters
Height 79mm
Width (except the figure 1 or letter l) 50mm
Stroke 14mm
Space between characters 11mm
Space between groups 33mm
Top, bottom and side margins (minimum) 11mm
Space between vertical lines 19mm

The character width has been slightly reduced from 57mm to 50mm to accommodate the Euro-symbol on the number plate.


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NUMBER PLATES FITTED BEFORE 1 SEPTEMBER 2001
Number plates fitted before 1 September 2001 must display characters that meet the dimensions shown in one of the two groups below

Characters Group 1 Group 2
Height 89mm 79mm
Width (except the figure 1or letter l) 64mm 57mm
Stroke 16mm 14mm
Space between characters 13mm 11mm
Space between groups 38mm 33mm
Side margins (minimum) 13mm 11mm
Space between vertical lines 19mm 19mm


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TRADITIONAL NUMBER PLATES
Vehicles constructed before 1.1.73 may display traditional style "black and white" plates i.e. white, silver or grey characters on a black plate.
Lettering must be of a set size. It must conform to one of the two groups below.

Characters Group 1 Group 2
Height 89mm 79mm
Width (except the number 1) 64mm 57mm
Stroke 16mm 14mm
Side margin 25mm 11mm
Top & bottom margin 13mm 11mm
Space between characters 13mm 11mm
Space between groups 38mm 33mm

There are additional arrangements if the vehicle is a motorcycle or tricycle

Traditional number plates fitted to vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1973 are not required to display the mandatory character font, but the characters must be easy to read.
Common Questions and Answers


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Display of Vehicle Registration Marks on Imported Vehicles
(which have a restricted space for a standard sized number plate)
Certain imported vehicles may be permitted to display number plates with smaller characters if:

The vehicle does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval

AND

The vehicle's construction/design cannot accomodate standard size number plates
Specifications for smaller sized plates (for certain imported vehicles)


Character Height

64mm

Character Width

44mm

Character Stroke

10mm

Space between characters

10mm


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MOTORCYCLES AND TRICYCLES
All motorcycles and tricycles must display a number plate at the rear of the vehicle.
Motorcycles and tricycles registered before 1.9.2001 can display a number plate at the front of the vehicle but are not required to.
If you have a two or three wheeled motor cycle or tricycle that has a body type of a four-wheeled vehicle, you MUST display a number plate at the front and back of the vehicle.
The characters may be smaller e.g.

Character Height

64mm

Character Width

44mm

Character Stroke

10mm

Space between characters

10mm

Space between groups

30mm

Top, side & bottom margin

11mm

Space between vertical lines 13mm



Motorcycles registered on or after 1 September 2001 must display a two-line number plate number plate. Motorcycles registered prior to the 1 September 2001 may display a three-line plate, but one-line plates are illegal, irrespective of the date of registration of the motorcycle.
Common Questions and Answers


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MANDATORY CHARACTER FONT
From 1 September 2001 all new number plates must display the new mandatory font. Combined with the new format registration mark, number plates will become clearer and easier to remember.


Number plates fitted before 1 September 2001 need not be changed provided the character font used is substantially the same as the one shown above.

Number plates must be replaced if they have been customised with:

Stylised letters and/or figures such as italics
Number plate fixing bolts that alter the appearance of the letters and/or numbers


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THE EURO PLATE
Since 1st September 2001 there has been an optional provision for the display of a Euro-plate for vehicles registered in the UK. The Euro-plate is a number plate that incorporates the symbol of the European Union (a circle of 12 stars on a blue background) with the national identification letters of the member states below. This symbol is located on the far left-hand side of the number plate.

Vehicles displaying this symbol no longer have to use the traditional oval shaped national identifier (GB) sticker when travelling within the European Union. All vehicles registered in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales have, by international convention, the distinguishing sign GB.

The Government announced on 28 December 2001 the intention to permit the display of national flags and national identifiers on vehicle number plates. The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 are in the process of being amended. They will provide for the voluntary display of the Union flag, Scottish Saltire, Cross of St George and Red Dragon.
Football team crests etc are not allowed.



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THE LAW
The law states that,

You must not alter, rearrange or misrepresent the letters or numbers
Characters must not be moved from one group to the other (e.g. A242 ABC must not be displayed as A242A BC).
Offences may result in any or all of the following:

A fine of up to £1,000
The registration mark may be WITHDRAWN
The vehicle may FAIL the MOT test
Full details of the requirements are included in The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001


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THE BRITISH STANDARD
The British Standard sets out the physical characteristics on the number plate. This includes:

Visibility
Strength
Reflectivity
The British Standard also requires that a number plate must be marked with the following information: -

The British Standard Number (currently BS AU 145d)
The name, trade mark, or other means of identification of the manufacturer or component supplier. (The company who actually make the number plate.)
The name and postcode of the supplying outlet. (The 'supplying outlet' is taken to mean a company whose business consists wholly or partly of selling number plates.)
A non-reflective border and the Euro-symbol with the national identification letters are optional additions.
There shall be no other markings or material contained on the number plate.
 
  Clio 182 Trophy 047/500
Isle of Man has a totally different set of rules and laws when it comes to the licensing of plates.

Essentially if you have the correct font and they have silver reflective lettering you will be fine.
 

Da

  Less
I have a set, and had them fitted to my old Clio for months without a problem from the police, but they attracted far too much attention of the wrong kind! :dapprove:

Personally, I wouldn't go back there, lol!
 
  WR1 impreza
I love the look of them on my car, illegal or not. They are velcroed on anyway so can be removed.
 

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  Mondeo TXS Bardge.
one of my girlfriends neighbourghs has old plates on his his black alfa 147.. the look ok on it better on your 182, but i spoke to him and he said what he done was bought an old rust bucket of an mg for £60 and transferred the plates, i dunno if he's pulling my leg or if thats even legal?, but he hasnt been pulled by the coppers yet, and they are really strict in hamilton withthe amount of cruisers i see pulled every time i visit. hell they even doen me for accidentally putting on the foggies on my laguna at 1am, on a sunday morning with only me an the traffic car on the road. at least i cant do that in the clio, they dont work when the auto headlights are on.
 
  Clio 182 Trophy 047/500
one of my girlfriends neighbourghs has old plates on his his black alfa 147.. the look ok on it better on your 182, but i spoke to him and he said what he done was bought an old rust bucket of an mg for £60 and transferred the plates, i dunno if he's pulling my leg or if thats even legal?, but he hasnt been pulled by the coppers yet, and they are really strict in hamilton withthe amount of cruisers i see pulled every time i visit. hell they even doen me for accidentally putting on the foggies on my laguna at 1am, on a sunday morning with only me an the traffic car on the road. at least i cant do that in the clio, they dont work when the auto headlights are on.

Cant be done as the car is still built after 73.

It is when the car was built not when the registration was issued. My parents had the number plate 10 OOO from my mums first car when she worked a the TAX office in Brimingham many moons ago. It was on the original black plates and when we got it transfered onto my Dads new car we were told that the plate would have to meet the updated laws, the car it was being fitted on to was a 1979 Vauxhall Cav Coupe.
 


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