Basic spec Renaultsport Clio Race Series

[Bluebeard]

You won't be allowed out all weekend, so don't kid yourself, your balls are not that big.

​FLOL!!! Maybe i'll come at about 10pm friday night and leave at 5.01pm on the saturday?

 

[Martin_172]

Have you just not read what I've posted??

no i skipped to the end when someone started discussing if silvervisions were aloud

What?

when peeps talk of 'slicks' on here, they mean stickier tyres ie, 888's dunlop direzzas Ado08's etc. These are all road legal tyres anyway.

slicks to me are not road tyres, and if that's what they refer to on here then that's odd?

 

[Fraser.J.]

When is this likely to kick off? Next season?

Will there be a draft of what's allowed and what isn't? Ie stud/nuts?

Rough idea on cost? Race entry?

 

[Bluebeard]

When is this likely to kick off? Next season?

Will there be a draft of what's allowed and what isn't? Ie stud/nuts?

Rough idea on cost? Race entry?

Are you lot a day behind us??

Yes it will kick off next season, if there's enough takers.

​Race entries are circa £300 per meeting.

 

[Fraser.J.]

Did you not know we just got the Internet up here? Still trying to work out how to use this site!

Was just looking for some more concrete answers. I'm a noob to Motorsport so want to look into this early and try get funds.

 

[Tony Hunter]

FFS!!

Studs or nuts, as long as your wheels don't come off.

 

[Adam G]

Still in very early stages, I think next season is the reality. Give us chance to get setup with both car and regs. Also give us chance to get ARDS etc. No point rushing, I'd rather be a bit more prepared for next year. Even with my car almost right bar stripping, cage etc. I don't think I'm prepared as a total package until next year when I can do it right.

Going to take a lot of dining out and Spa breaks for our better halves first!

 

[Tony Hunter]

Already one lad want's to do it. It's cheaper for him to downgrade his car to this spec, than it would be to try and get further up in class A with us.

 

[Fraser.J.]

Funds permitting I'm in. Will need to try sort out some sponsorship to help

 

[Adam G]

Tony as a rough guide for anyone interested.
Am I right in thinking these are our basic requirements and rough BARE MINIMUM COSTS:

FIA approved suit, gloves and boots. Balaclava? £500 Clubman specs - what approval number?
Snell approved helmet (believe 2005 approved is ok until 2017)£150ish
ARDS test £250
MSA go racing pack £60

Car:
FIA approved seat and cage with harness and harness bar.
Plumbed in Fire extinguisher and electric cut off with marshall's exterior access points.

Have I missed something obvious?

 

[Tony Hunter]

I would get a helmet with the Hanns device studs in. You never know when it going to be law to have one.

 

[Adam G]

I would get a helmet with the Hanns device studs in. You never know when it going to be law to have one.

​Good point for future but mine's ok for now.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Cam timing on standard marks or are you allowed to tweak mr h?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cam timing on standard marks or are you allowed to tweak mr h?

May as well let people tweak it as its going to cause all sorts of arguments otherwise as so many people have not quite right timing and don't even know it. Shame if someone got banned just cause previous owner timed it slightly wrong.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Any rules on boxes/diffs/final drive?

ph1 and ph2 are different so if its got to be standard can a ph1 have a ph2 box?
lsd allowed?

 

[McGherkin]

I'm fairly sure there'll be no LSD's.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I'm fairly sure there'll be no LSD's.

At least its only pass shaft out to check that one so easy to enforce.
Was just thinking about the guy wanting to drop down as I assume he already has a quaiffe or gripper?

 

[Tony Hunter]

Also no LSD, forgot about that.

And no the guy who would like to down grade does not have a diff.

​A Clio gearbox, and yes I know they are different.

 

[Andy93]

Dan/Tony,

Quite interested at this stage (I'll be living in the UK from next weekend onwards.)

I've always wanted to have a go at racing and this cheap, simple formula will make that accessible to me. Thanks for taking the time to speak to organisers etc.

 

[Jamie86]

Hmm so just as I get the 5hed how I want it this comes along...

Very interested here as well, especially as car can potentially be driven there! Saves some costs (maybe not back)

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[Jay Payne]

Tony as a rough guide for anyone interested.
Am I right in thinking these are our basic requirements and rough BARE MINIMUM COSTS:
Have I missed something obvious?

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FIA approved suit, gloves and boots. Balaclava? £500 Clubman specs - what approval number?
Snell approved helmet (believe 2005 approved is ok until 2017)£150ish
Boots - £60
Balaclava - £15
Gloves - £40
(I spent £650 on my kit iirc)

ARDS test £250
MSA go racing pack £60
Licence application £56
Medical Free-£130 depends who does it

Car:
FIA approved seat and cage with harness and harness bar. (seat doesnt have to be FIA or in date, Harness does have to be in date)
Plumbed in Fire extinguisher and electric cut off with marshall's exterior access points. (clubman fire kit for abut £85, FIA Style cutoff about £20)

 

[Adam G]

Thanks Jay

 

[jon_r]

This has great potential. Shame i've not got the budget

 

[Martin.]

Sounds very interesting!!

 

[Budgie]

Very interested if you can sort the shared driving position. Will need to persuade the wife a second caged clio is needed

Wanna buy a Monaco?

I'll build your car, sweetums. Xx

 

[mark123]

Cage doesn't need to be fia it only needs to be to msa std no certification needed.

I'm not even sure you need anything other than a suit and helmet to comply with the regs.

You wouldn't need a catch tank with std induction setup as the breather is fed into the engine and that is fine by the regs.

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Ooow tony said no oil burners lol

Back on subject, after we'll all finish naggin like old granny's , who's going to bite the bullet and have a great laugh doing this?

 

[Naith]

Naith BD would need some standard rear shocks

its on them now! I'd change them for cup springs and some cooksports. I'd only need a cage then..

 

[Chip-mk1]

Thought it might be worth quoting these again in case anyone skipping pages has missed them.

I can't answer all the questions.

But Fred got it about right, as I discussed it with him late on Sat.

This will be tagged onto the French Trophy, as it will mean more cars on the grid. This will result in more chance of getting our own race.

Yes it will be standard suspension, with free choice of springs. (if you don't like it then tough, go do something else).

There will be no power to weight stuff (more costs involved, and it can be fiddled anyway), so if you are a fat chuffer, unlucky.

Camber bolts and shims will be allowed

Top mounts can be changed, and include a strutbrace.

Exhaust free

Standard calipers

discs and pads atm are free

Arb, not sure yet as they may be hard to get hold of

Standard ecu and working dash

15" wheels

Take out what you like, but no cutting of any bodywork.

There is loads more, but basically.

Buy a car
Remove as much crap as possible
Install fire and electrical switches
A set of new shocks and whatever springs (not custom)
Polybush if you want
No metal bushes, rose joints etc
Stick a cage in, no show cages and comply with blue book regs
Plastic windows is a no atm, again costs
You will need a 2ltr oil catch tank blue book rules anyway
And maybe batteries can be moved

But that's it. You could actually prep a car in a weekend and still keep the missus happy.


I know I'm going to get bombarded with some stupid questions as well as some sensible ones, so who's gong to try my pationce first.

This by no means set in stone, but the organiser seemed quite happy with what was put forward, and he want's CHEAP entry motorsport.
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Engines will be checked as best we can, by somebody who's in the know
No turb's
No oil burners

Still trying to sort out 2 drivers.

Atm as the regs stand, whoever qualifies quickest has to do race one, the second driver starts from the back in race two.

This because race 2 grids are done on race 1 finishing positions.

Trying to try and get it so that 2nd driver fits into 2nd race grid wherever their quali time puts them. but then this will upset a few as well, so we'll see what the MSA have to say.


Of course you will need to have a ARDS test etc and all the kit.

Entry fee's will be about the same as now £300ish

All sounds good to me, I think you have covered what its realistic to cover

Just a quick question on engine specs, if I were to use the engine from our Black Ph2 its got supertechs in it, they are only a reliablity mod not a performance one, still on standard valve seats, is that permitted?
And what about camshafts? Its on 197 cams, is that ok as its still a standard clio camshaft or does it have to be swapped back to mk2 cams?

Good idea with regards to keeping glass and metal panels, another good way to keep the costs sensible.

 

[Sam@NP]

Still trying to sort out 2 drivers.

Atm as the regs stand, whoever qualifies quickest has to do race one, the second driver starts from the back in race two.

This because race 2 grids are done on race 1 finishing positions.

Trying to try and get it so that 2nd driver fits into 2nd race grid wherever their quali time puts them. but then this will upset a few as well, so we'll see what the MSA have to say.


Of course you will need to have a ARDS test etc and all the kit.

Entry fee's will be about the same as now £300ish

In GT Cup both drivers must do a minimum of 3 laps in practice or quali, however the second grid position is determined by the fastest lap in race one. Might be worth considering? Allows for driver one to use the time to set a quick on then at the end driver two trundles round hope he gets all his laps in. That a 20minute session mind.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Will there be a draft of what's allowed and what isn't? Ie stud/nuts?

FFS!!

Studs or nuts, as long as your wheels don't come off.

lmao

I'd love to do something like this, my 172 is my daily hack at the moment though and not a chance in hell could I afford race meetings atm.

 

[Fraser.J.]

What's the next stage then other than saying your interested?

 

[Bluebeard]

What's the next stage then other than saying your interested?

Go and do your ARDS.

 

[Sam@NP]

Go and do your ARDS.

lol you're getting the hang of this :rasp:

 

[Bluebeard]

lol you're getting the hang of this :rasp:

I may be in bed with a sick bowl next to me (don't worry I emptied it) but I'm all over this racing lark.

 

[Tony Hunter]

In GT Cup both drivers must do a minimum of 3 laps in practice or quali, however the second grid position is determined by the fastest lap in race one. Might be worth considering? Allows for driver one to use the time to set a quick on then at the end driver two trundles round hope he gets all his laps in. That a 20minute session mind.

I know what you are saying Sam, it's just because Steve's already told MSA the format for this year, he's got to see if they will agree to change it for next year.

Anything is possible, it's just time and effort.

But whatever it ends up as, that's what it will be and that's it.

Tuff titty if you don't like it.

 

[Sam@NP]

I know what you are saying Sam, it's just because Steve's already told MSA the format for this year, he's got to see if they will agree to change it for next year.

Anything is possible, it's just time and effort.

But whatever it ends up as, that's what it will be and that's it.

Tuff titty if you don't like it.

I understand, give us a shout if you need a hand with anything I move to the U.K net week.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Meeting halfway. Might invite some others to chew the fat.

Got to get it sorted, so we can get the ball rolling early, not leave it until Jan/Feb

 

[Adam G]

Back on subject, after we'll all finish naggin like old granny's , who's going to bite the bullet and have a great laugh doing this?

Well I was up until about 2 last night, pricing things up.

 

[imprezaworks]

Me, hopefully. All being well will have a car very soon