Black Clio turbo

[NigelO]

Hi all - I'm from the Fiat Coupe forum (www.fccuk.org/forum) - just thought I'd show my face over here and ask about a black Clio turbo that I came across on Saturday evening on the A46 near Coventry on the way home from the F1 qualifying on Saturday.

I had already had some sport with a 225TT (anihilated him), a 350Z (blew him away) and a Ferrari 360 (he gave up at the top end of 5th gear). However, the short but sweet dice with the Clio was by far the most entertaining of the day.

I came up behind a very clean looking black Clio - twin exit exhaust and a discreet turbo badge. My son and I discussed whether the car was just a turbo wannabe or the real McCoy.

Traffic cleared in front of the Clio and off it went. By this time, I was in no doubt about its credentials - VERY fast little car.

So - if the owner is on here, don't feel too bad about being overtaken by a Fiat Coupe - I guess you thought you were going to drop me (you certainly would have done if I was standard - 220bhp and 155mph top end). I'm running about 400bhp, so the Clio would have had to be something really special to stay ahead.

Any specs on the Clio - would be interested to know

Good forum BTW - nice to see a well-moderated forum - makes for a much nicer environment than some of the other boards

 

[Dan 172]

I think that clio is around 309bhp+, if it was a black 182 on a 54 plate.

I think the chap is selling it also.

 

[FincH]

Hmm could be Flans old VAG turbo effort.

Was it a Mk1 or Mk2 Clio? If it was a Mk1 then it's quite possibly a car that belonged to a lad called Flan (don't think he posts here) which he sold and was bought by BBPeformance Tuning or summat.

Could be a different car though.

 

[black kro]

ditto, gonna say the same!

 

[Nigel]

Welcome, nice to hear someone appreciating another quick car rather than slagging them off!

 

[TeZ]

it was me.

 

[tommyboy]

can I see pics/stats of this Fiat Coupe running 400bhp that does Ferraris please?

 

[Craig]

it will be dave3141 its about 270 ponies it was for sale last time he was on here. he is banned now. not sure on the full spec. shaun is the one with 309bhp.

bet your car must fly oh and welcome mate

 

[al]

I was thinking it could be dave in the 182.

Lol @ beating a 360.

 

[TeZ]

"Ferrari 360 (he gave up at the top end of 5th gear)" Wash your filthy mouth out now.....

 

[_Tom]

Sounds like you had fun. This one?

 

[TeZ]

^ wiked

 

[trile]

i've seen a audi s3 beat a ferrari 355.
the s3 had roughly 400 bhp.

so, it's not impossible that this fiat actually gave the ferrari a hard time, but certainly the ferrari would be faster after 4th gear or smth...

 

[tommyboy]

Sounds like you had fun. This one?

why the lights?!? why oh why :dead:

 

[black kro]

or the badge?

I'd say a 'tiny' turbo on the doors (same style as as Laguna GT badge) would look better!

 

[_Tom]

i've seen a audi s3 beat a ferrari 355.
the s3 had roughly 400 bhp.

so, it's not impossible that this fiat actually gave the ferrari a hard time, but certainly the ferrari would be faster after 4th gear or smth...

Why? A 400bhp coupe will have more power and is lighter i beleive. They also have very good aerodynamics. If i had to bet my money would be on the coupe on a straight line blast.

 

[TeZ]

christ !!! it isnt that bad lads lmao

 

[_Tom]

or the badge?

I'd say a 'tiny' turbo on the doors (same style as as Laguna GT badge) would look better!

Or no badge at all...

 

[Adey.]

a 2.0 will start to run out of puff where as the ferrari will be coming into its stride and start to pull like a train, especially after 100mph all the way to 180+mph, off a slow rolling start wiuth him in the wrong gear or him not trying, you might be on parr other than that i dbout it

 

[_Tom]

Maybe. A coupe will pull hard and its probs a 6 speed too? I know they'll do 180 too with the right mods..

 

[Chris n nic]

I agree with Tom on this. A lighter car with same power and I would assume a fair bit more torque would/should be quicker. Just because its a ferrari doesn't mean its invincible (cue the "I know what car I'd rather have" comments)

Chris

 

[Rich]

Turbo badge needs to go, change those lights back and make it a proper sleeper.

 

[Chris n nic]

400bhp Coupe

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 400
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1307
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 310.96
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.35
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.21
60 - 100 (Secs) : 4.86
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.55
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.73
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.35
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 118.87


360

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 400
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1390
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 292.39
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.15
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.19
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.04
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.35
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 115.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.25
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 117.22

Very close but those figs don't take into consideration the torque...about 275ft/lb for the 360..not sure on the fiat but I would imagine it would be 350+ which makes all the difference. R34 Skyline with 276bhp is 174bhp per ton..not much difference to a 182 but would you be close to one...I doubt it lol

Chris

 

[_Tom]

It says 355 so only 289 bhp per tonne... not much but means its less. lol! Also as you say @ 400bhp that coupe will have a big tubby and will have a big torque figure.

 

[tommyboy]

Maybe. A coupe will pull hard and its probs a 6 speed too? I know they'll do 180 too with the right mods..

they're still shyte imo :dead:

 

[_Tom]

Maybe. A coupe will pull hard and its probs a 6 speed too? I know they'll do 180 too with the right mods..

they're still shyte imo :dead:

Why though? The sound of the 5 pot turbo is immense!

I'm not getting funny mind just to make that clear. Everyone has theyre opnion.

 

[Craig]

im not keen on them but boy i bet its fun to drive

 

[NigelO]

Yes - that was the Clio - cracking little car (must be a handful in the wet though)

Some stats for you

My Coupe runs 405bhp and 340 ft-lb

Fully kitted it does 0-60 in about 5.3 and 0-100 in 10.5. Best standing quarter to date is a 13.0 @ 117mph (on road tyres at full pressure) Top end is currently "unknown" but at last years Ten of the Best, I was doing 155 across the top speed line (standing start, 1 mile straight). I'd only just changed into 6th gear at this point. Speedo was reading just over 160, so remarkably accurate (probably due to my slightly oversize wheels)

I've since had an indicated 180+ and it was still creeping up. Its geared for just under 200 at the rev limiter.

Spec is:

garrett GT2871RLS
Forged pistons, gapless rings
Flowed head and matched exhaust ports
3" downpipe running into 2.25" Supersprint with decat
Live mapped ECU running 384cc injectors from a Walbro 255l/h pump
Blitz boost controller, running 1.6 bar peak
ProAlloy front mount intercooler
Ramair filter

Also lots of handling and braking mods

the car is a 30,000 mile a year everyday commuter, but also gets used on track and at Ten of the Best (came third in the FWD handling last year on road tyres)

Mine is currently the sixth most powerful Coupe in the country. There's three in the high 400s, one at just over 500 and the latest has just cracked the 600bhp mark

As for beating the 360 - it was pretty even through 3rd, 4th and 5th gear, but he obviously couldn't take the pace and baled out at about 150. I dare say if he'd kept his foot in, we would both have stuck together up to rather more silly speeds.

I'm a realist though - if it had been a twisty road and the driver had the skill, it would have been a very different story. I was fortunate enough to own an F355 for a couple of years and the way they go round corners is a world apart from any FWD car.

However, there's a perverse satisfaction to owning a sleeper ( as the DB9 and the 911 will both testify a couple of weeks ago :rasp: ). I'd guess that the Clio turbo will embarrass stuff twenty times the price. Something like a 911 Carrera would probbaly have to work very hard indeed to keep up and a Boxster would be a small spec in the Clio's mirrors very quickly.

cheers for the welcome chaps - seems this forum is just as busy during work hours as FCCUK is

 

[_Tom]

Whilst your here. Whats needed to get a 20v to 300+ bhp? What tubby is on them standard? T28?

 

[Craig]

jeez what a monster then

 

[Dan 172]

How much are looking at for good cond late Fiat Coupe?

Also what was the last year they made them on?

 

[_Tom]

If this didnt have 100k on i'd go take a look. I think they look damn sexy!

 

[TeZ]

i think they look gash

 

[_Tom]

i think they look gash

Its deffo a marmite car. Some look horrid but with the le kit and lowered and the right colour combo i like!

 

[Dan 172]

If this didnt have 100k on i'd go take a look. I think they look damn sexy!

I like that!!!

Some do look a bit naf.

But for the bhp potential for your pounds, it's hard to do better for an everyday car which doesn't cost to run like an Evo.

 

[TeZ]

i actually like the sprint blue ones tho with a low spoiler(runns of the boot) also lowered with black rims i likeeeee

 

[Danith]

'.................baled out at about 150. I dare say if he'd kept his foot in, we would both have stuck together up to rather more silly speeds.'

more silly speeds??! u little monkey.
and i got proper sl@gged off on here for simply asking advice on being caught doin 50 in a 30!!!!

 

[@Spoonie]

Were you really driving at 150 with your son in the car?

 

[NigelO]

in answer to your questions

20VT runs a T28 as standard

There are two ways to get a 20VT to 300bhp. Quickly or reliably.

a simple chip (we have our own chip guru) will get to 250 bhp - £35

Boost hike (1.2 bar) and filter will give another 20bhp.

After this, you need to be careful with fuelling and intercooling and also the fact that the standard turbo is well outside its efficiency island

next up is a hybrid or roller bearing turbo - £500 - £750 - this will get you to 300bhp.

So, to do it reliably, you need - turbo, intercooler, chip, filter, boost control and probably an exhaust.

values - a well looked after 20VT can be had (from an FCCUK forum member) for about £3,000+. VERY good ones go for £5k and the very latest (MY2000) about £7k - £8k

100,000 miles is NOTHING on a well looked after 20VT - many have done over 100,000 miles - mine's done well over 160,000. We have several over 200,000

And you're right - its a marmite car

Personally I love the looks and the sound (sounds like an early Audi rally car) and of course the performance.

 

[Le'Cup]

Nice stats

You were doing 150+ with your son in the car? tut tut