Box/clutch issue?

[Louis]

2 days ago this noise just started out of the blue. Has gotten worse today on the drive to work so my first thoughts of it being something catching has gone out the window.

The noise is there very quietly on throttle, very loud off throttle, and quiet again with clutch depressed but you can still hear it.

Are these the symptoms of clutch release bearing failure?

 

[hipwell]

Doesn't sound like a release bearing to me.

Both driveshafts ok?

 

[Louis]

Doesn't sound like a release bearing to me.

Both driveshafts ok?

I've recently changed the boots on them and they seemed fine. Depressing clutch surely wouldn't make it quieter if this was the issue though?

 

[william84]

Doubt it's the release bearing imo

 

[william84]

I've recently changed the boots on them and they seemed fine. Depressing clutch surely wouldn't make it quieter if this was the issue though?

With release bearings my experience shows when you press the clutch it should go quiet.

 

[Louis]

With release bearings my experience shows when you press the clutch it should go quiet.

It does, goes really quiet but you can ever so slightly hear it still

 

[william84]

Think ive read your post wrong sorry ?
Just watched the video again.
Very loud for a release bearing.
When your just idling in car is the noise there?
No gears selected

 

[Louis]

Think ive read your post wrong sorry ?
Just watched the video again.
Very loud for a release bearing.
When your just idling in car is the noise there?
No gears selected

Nope no noise

 

[hipwell]

Release bearing sounds will change when the clutch is pressed but it would also do it when stationary.

You problem seems to be related to movement so my thoughts were driveshafts as they will be under load when the clutch is up and the car is driving.

 

[william84]

Release bearing sounds will change when the clutch is pressed but it would also do it when stationary.

You problem seems to be related to movement so my thoughts were driveshafts as they will be under load when the clutch is up and the car is driving.

Doubt it's your release bearing I would agree with @hipwell

 

[Louis]

Release bearing sounds will change when the clutch is pressed but it would also do it when stationary.

You problem seems to be related to movement so my thoughts were driveshafts as they will be under load when the clutch is up and the car is driving.

I'll take a look this weekend. Am I looking just for generic play in the shaft?

 

[JamesBryan]

Weird noise that!

I'd say driveshaft.

 

[Louis]

Am I likely to cause more damage driving? I've obviously driven to work this morning but can use another car after today. Dont want to cause box or bearing damage if the shaft is fucked.

J&R the way forward?

 

[hipwell]

Pain in the arse diagnosing the driveshaft, I had a clicking sound on my civic fn2, upon inspection with the car in the air the driveshaft appeared fine. It was only when i took the shaft out the hub I could feel how knackered the joint was.

Replaced just the joint with a joint from shaftec and now it's perfect.

j&r get mixed reviews, some have no issues, others have a knightmare with them

 

[william84]

get both wheels off the ground start and stick in gear and allow wheels to spin That way you may hear it

 

[bloke]

Box is about to s**t itself.

 

[leeds2592]

Knackered, might as well just scrap it now.

 

[Louis]

I'll try nurse it home! Hope it isnt the box and just a shaft. Fingers crossed

 

[bloke]

it's the box, will randomly just lock up as you're maneuvering from time to time.

 

[Louis]

it's the box, will randomly just lock up as you're maneuvering from time to time.

What part of the box? I got home with it now. I've never really had any real problems with gear changes which is odd for this to have started out the blue

 

[Krarl]

Sounds like the f**king input shaft is about to exit the building!!

 

[Daz...]

I am of no help whatsoever, it sounds bloody awful though.

 

[Louis]

So wheels off calipers and discs off. Cant hear anything from inside. Presume the noise must only occur during loading which means box for sure?

Noticed this but just seems like its rubbing on the fabric heatshield hence the shine.

Also noticed my tracking has been good

 

[Krarl]

Yank on the shafts and check for play.

There should be a few mm of backlash play on each CV spider but nothing over a few mm

Sounds to me like it's more gearbox fuckery though

 

[JamesBryan]

@NorthloopCup needs to get in here.

 

[Louis]

Yank on the shafts and check for play.

There should be a few mm of backlash play on each CV spider but nothing over a few mm

Sounds to me like it's more gearbox fuckery though

Theres no excess play anywhere that I can feel. Put the wheels on and got upto 40 and you can hear the noise again.

How hard is a box swap?

 

[Louis]

Worth getting an LSD?

 

[hipwell]

Worth getting an LSD?

On a track car maybe, not for the road.

Box swap is easy enough if your good with the tools, took me a couple of days on my back with axel stands on my own.

Subframe bolts were the biggest pain in the arse for me, the clips holding the nuts inside will snap lol.

 

[Krarl]

Theres no excess play anywhere that I can feel. Put the wheels on and got upto 40 and you can hear the noise again.

How hard is a box swap?

Peasy on a Clio

Just depends if your subframe bolts decide to be a c**t a spin like f**k?

 

[NorthloopCup]

Yeah that’s the box that’s fucked. It’s a bearing failure, most likely the mainshaft.

Diffs are worthwhile, but for road use go with a Quaife.

I’ve got a box here that I’ll be rebuilding and selling if you’re interested? Can be built with a Quaife too, but you’ll be looking at around £1600.

 

[JamesBryan]

Surely it would have been noisy way before it started making that noise?

 

[bloke]

Surely it would have been noisy way before it started making that noise?

sometimes but they can literally just go!!

 

[Louis]

Yeah that’s the box that’s fucked. It’s a bearing failure, most likely the mainshaft.

Diffs are worthwhile, but for road use go with a Quaife.

I’ve got a box here that I’ll be rebuilding and selling if you’re interested? Can be built with a Quaife too, but you’ll be looking at around £1600.

Really weird how its come out of nowhere. I've always had a slight whine in 1st but never anything like this.

I will PM you about the box!

 

[JamesBryan]

It'll fail spectacularly eventually if it's the main shaft then.

 

[Louis]

It'll fail spectacularly eventually if it's the main shaft then.

It's off the road now then! I was pushing my luck driving to work today.

Worth shoving a new clutch in whilst i'm there i presume? Anything else recommended?

 

[JamesBryan]

It's off the road now then! I was pushing my luck driving to work today.

Worth shoving a new clutch in whilst i'm there i presume? Anything else recommended?

New clutch and a rebuilt box, should be reet.

Wouldn't bother with a diff for what you use it for tbh.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Really weird how its come out of nowhere. I've always had a slight whine in 1st but never anything like this.

I will PM you about the box!

Ok mate no worries. Yeah deffo replace the clutch

 

[Louis]

Just a Valeo clutch? Are they OEM?

 

[Krarl]

Just a Valeo clutch? Are they OEM?

Vale are OEM

Although Sachs and LUK come with Valeo stamping too...

Let me know if you want a hand with owt

 

[Louis]

Vale are OEM

Although Sachs and LUK come with Valeo stamping too...

Let me know if you want a hand with owt

Brilliant, cheers mate! I've seen you can squeeze them out the passenger side wheel arch by lowering the subframe and removing everything on that side. Best way to do it? I only just changed the oil! haha