Brake Cooling

[TarkMalbot]

Show us your brake ducting.
I have seen many threads with a few different opinions and solutions but it would be nice to have a thread showing what everyone has done for ideas, design, parts and suppliers.

 

[imprezaworks]

Think you have seen mine, nothing fancy but 100% worth it

 

[M.C..]

I attempted to make some fiber glass ones (like the cup racer) but it went badly wrong as I did not have a clue what I was doing lol
so after that I just went simple and got some Ducting off ebay for about £10 Ducts from JJC about £20 mounted them inside the fog light surround and made some deflector plates out of some sheet steel I had and they seem to work

 

[TarkMalbot]

Have you kept the arch liners then? Looks like a simple set up. I like your little deflector plates.

 

[M.C..]

Yeah left them in as the car is used on the road and I don't want water inside the engine bay

 

[TarkMalbot]

These seem like a cheap option for anyone wanting to keep the original fog lamp holders and tidy up the "something missing" look of just removing the fog lamps:

£40

 

[GrahamS]

these were mine, lots of super glue, cut the fog supports out, 4" pipe

 

[_WILL_]

These seem like a cheap option for anyone wanting to keep the original fog lamp holders and tidy up the "something missing" look of just removing the fog lamps:

£40

I have a set of these, went for the aggressive option. I was really impressed with them, think they look lots better on the car than in the ebay pictures and fitting is so easy. I didn't even need to secure the hose to the back of the duct.

Have run a couple of 12 car rallies with them and had no issues.

 

[TarkMalbot]

I like the look of the stealth the best but was wondering how much more air you got with the aggressive ones. Any photos?

 

[imprezaworks]

these were mine, lots of super glue, cut the fog supports out, 4" pipe

Same as mine. I think these help alot

 

[_WILL_]

I like the look of the stealth the best but was wondering how much more air you got with the aggressive ones. Any photos?

I don't have any pictures to hand, but the ebay pictures give you a good idea of the extra lip. I haven't measured any brake temps since fitting (or before fitting for that matter) but I have worked in brake cooling at work and was happy enough with the basic principle of what they do and the improvement the "aggressiveness" should give. But I agree the normal ones look better, but I didn't buy a Clio for its looks!!!!!

The thing to understand about effective brake cooling is about understanding air pressure not just air flow. So creating higher air pressure points will help with this as long as they are built up in the right place. The BMW's and Porches I have studied are extremely good at this, particularly the Porsche. But its all done in a more subtle way than some brake ducts off eBay!

 

[marinemackay2003]

here are the cup racer ones off a ph 1 - RARE

Fitted

you can see the ducting in here at about 7:35 in

 

[MarkX]

Since mine were actually on fire at the last track day I thought it best to add cooling. 100mm bass ports off eBay are a tight, tidy fit with duct through the plastic liners

 

[StuOwen86]

Nice what duct did you use? I'm after a cheap solution for some brake ducting. How much did it cost you and do you use and deflectors or just angle the ducting towards the disc/calipers.

Stu

 

[-Danman-]

These seem like a cheap option for anyone wanting to keep the original fog lamp holders and tidy up the "something missing" look of just removing the fog lamps:

£40

Have you got a link to them mate?

 

[TarkMalbot]

Have you got a link to them mate?

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=321635402758

 

[MarkX]

Nice what duct did you use? I'm after a cheap solution for some brake ducting. How much did it cost you and do you use and deflectors or just angle the ducting towards the disc/calipers.

Stu

I got it from a local motorsport company, they had just under 1m as an off cut for £10. It's the same as this stuff....
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motor...lumbing-solutions-single-layer-ducting-hose-2

I plan on making deflectors, won't be anything fancy!

 

[barnesautos]

Here are my efforts - nothing special but i hope effective.

 

[adiclio16v]

Few pics of My brake cooling setup when I was fitting it (on a mk1 )

Ideally you want to force air up through the centre of the disc to cool it evenly the only problem with this is as I've found is a lot of clio discs are vented from the front instead of the rear and it really doesn't work as well

Like this

Instead of like this

When I get chance in going to make some better ducts that fit to the hub something like this

 

[car.crash]

Did you ever manage to sort the deflector plates @barnesautos

 

[barnesautos]

I did @car.crash

Just not had any time to fit them to try out .

 

[imprezaworks]

Spotted these, wether they are any good

 

[JoeMarano]

Mine haven't arrived yet but I got the ones off ebay for around 70 quid.

 

[car.crash]

Mine haven't arrived yet but I got the ones off ebay for around 70 quid.

Proper deflectors?

 

[JoeMarano]

No no!

These:

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/321767058814?euid=d32d176938ee41ae8b8e4002c6747714&_mwBanner=1

Rolling with standard brakes I'll need all the cooling I can get. Plus I plan to do a few laps and then a few cool downs on track to try and keep them in check.

 

[imprezaworks]

Will it be mostly used as a track car mate?

 

[JoeMarano]

Nah its just my car for going up to work and back in every few days and while im up there and if I need it I can use it for taking my son out if he's off with me during a week day.

Will hopefully get many evenings in at Snettterton as thats local to my work and maybe Bedford too if I can be assed to drive up there (added bonus is the tracks I like are nearer to work than home so a shorter journey)

 

[JoeMarano]

Its going to be geared up as mainly a fun car but I don't want the suspension etc to be too extreme as it can be uncomfortable on some of the 30mph potholed, bumpey back and residential roads where I live and thats on the standard sport suspension, which I have no real gripes about apart from the front being too soft.

Worst case if I bugger the pads is to just change them as they are cheap (brembos off g172)
Im fairly good on reading when the car needs cooling off and I don't think it will bother me having to keep cooling them. The alternative is running something like CL's but thats overkill for the road to be honesg and they aren't cheap either!

 

[imprezaworks]

Ah okay mate, plans sound good. Tbh i find the ecp pagid pads at £15 ish brilliant, and have used them on track too. If you feel the need to experiment, honestly try those.

 

[JoeMarano]

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have two Clio's to be honest one for road and one for track but have a feeling one would always sit there broken

 

[imprezaworks]

Ha ha. I have two cars mate which makes me appreciate the clio as a fun car. I have a cheap daily to get me to work etc and doesnt concern me where i park etc. Although i am looking for an uber cheap car (c1/107) to buy

 

[JoeMarano]

Happy times postman literally just turned up with them as I was sat on the shitter. Ended up plugging with loo roll grabbing my dressing gown and running downstairs to not miss him LOL

 

[imprezaworks]

Nice.

 

[warwickstingray]

Happy times postman literally just turned up with them as I was sat on the shitter. Ended up plugging with loo roll grabbing my dressing gown and running downstairs to not miss him LOL

Buy a small digital timer off eBay and stick it somewhere on the dashboard. Set it to 15mins when on track and stick to it. I did just 17 mins last time I was out and whereas at 15 the car was coping well those extra 2 mins I spent honking round everything started to wilt!

I'll be running brembo HP2000 pads and HC discs this year so I'll let you know how I get on on track as the brembo pads are slightly more road biased than the Ferrodo DS2500's and I've found them great on the road.

My Cup is pretty much boggo and copes well at track days up to as I said 15mins.

 

[JoeMarano]

Thats interesting to know. Thats still at least 6 or 7 laps I would guess so not too bad. I don't want to fall in the trap of spendinf a fortune on the car that I don't need to. Im not racing or anything and we all know the types who continually modify then sell the car when its done.

 

[eon172]

Buy a small digital timer off eBay and stick it somewhere on the dashboard. Set it to 15mins when on track and stick to it. I did just 17 mins last time I was out and whereas at 15 the car was coping well those extra 2 mins I spent honking round everything started to wilt!

I'll be running brembo HP2000 pads and HC discs this year so I'll let you know how I get on on track as the brembo pads are slightly more road biased than the Ferrodo DS2500's and I've found them great on the road.

My Cup is pretty much boggo and copes well at track days up to as I said 15mins.

I don't have too much problem with brakes (Brembo HC + Pagid blues) in rebuilt callipers (which as a whole, is excellent). Although I have some bits to make my own ducts, I'm not feeling the need for this yet (following 4 sessions at brands), more so I need a cold air feed to the air filter first!
I do find in those extra few laps that the tyres and clutch start to degrade though, so I agree 15min sessions generally seems the best interval to let everything cool off a little. One thing I am impressed with though is the constant water temp, usually bang on half all the time.

 

[JoeMarano]

Brands only really has one decent braking area though and thats for paddock hill and also the downhill bit the corner after the next (can't remember names)

I think Snetterton will be a bit harder on the brakes as theres a few high speed bits and at least 3 second gear corners from what I can tell.

Brands is cool though but does get repetitive.

 

[eon172]

Brands only really has one decent braking area though and thats for paddock hill and also the downhill bit the corner after the next (can't remember names)

I think Snetterton will be a bit harder on the brakes as theres a few high speed bits and at least 3 second gear corners from what I can tell.

Brands is cool though but does get repetitive.

Good to know, time to get out to more tracks......then fit the brake cooling [emoji6]

 

[warwickstingray]

15mins isn't just the number for the car. Most of us aren't experienced racers and every minute you push past the 15mins you are more and more likely to make a costly mistake. It's the time on track that's recommended by the organisers and instructors at the airfield and circuit days I do. I bet the number of people that don't even get a good night's sleep before a track day is pretty low!

Your wallet as well as your cars tyres, fluids and brakes will thank you if you don't over do it.

The way the engines in these take a track day in their stride despite being nothing special always impresses me.

mod all you like but lots of shorter sessions is still better than a few loooooong ones. More likely to experience the full paddock on track as well

 

[imprezaworks]

I'm that happy with the way my car is, on my last outing at Oulton I was doing 25-30 stints lol.