BREMBO DISCS AND DS3000 Pads

[EVOgone]

Well after 2.5k with the Brembo "Hi-dust" sorry carbon and DS3000 pads they are now grinding to the metal. Also the disc has two wear indicator both are gone.

They have performed faultlessly and were awsome during the ring trip and got some heavy abuse.

You ask 2.5k where has all that disc gone, well that is easy to answer. All its partical have embedded into the front wheels. I have tried and tried with everything and it wont move it. You can tell its the disc as when it rains the wheels go rusty..!

Never had the issue with DS2500 and Renault discs so will go back to this setup until the next ring trip/trackday then slip some DS3000's in just for fast laps.

 

[Guy]

good effort though

bet theres been a few sparks on display

 

[y0z2a]

fairy power spray will sort the wheels, seriously!!

 

[Guy]

plus it will leave your hands fairy soft!

 

[EVOgone]

fairy power spray will sort the wheels, seriously!!

Tried it nothing...!

 

[haitch]

with the good pads i found i needed to wash the wheels very regular or that happens, cant fault the stopping power tho eh ;-)

 

[seb]

you need some hydrochloric acid my friend. diluted of course. gentlemens choice...

 

[seb]

works a treat on my wheels! leave it on for about 30 sec - 60 sec then scrub off with soapy water and rinse for gleaming wheels

 

[EVOgone]

Refurb i think

 

[seb]

trust in the acid fella

 

[Bubbles]

wonder wheels? hehe

 

[rob172cup]

i was going to get these but think ill change my mind

 

[BenR]

Tried it nothing...!

ditto, i bought andy some for his wheels and it did nothing.

 

[y0z2a]

i have found, if you keep them clean its fine, if you let it cake, then it is much harder to get off.

have you tried elbow grease, as in all the time i have used the pf's it has either worked or some cleaning agent has done the trick.

andy had some stuff that did the trick on my dynamique wheels.

i would say the best thing to do is to attack them with hot water when the rims are hot, and an abrasive sponge.

/y0z

 

[BenR]

clean!! i dont clean!!

i just dont care that much lol.

 

[EVOgone]

i have found, if you keep them clean its fine, if you let it cake, then it is much harder to get off.

have you tried elbow grease, as in all the time i have used the pf's it has either worked or some cleaning agent has done the trick.

andy had some stuff that did the trick on my dynamique wheels.

i would say the best thing to do is to attack them with hot water when the rims are hot, and an abrasive sponge.

/y0z

I will be round later with steaming hot brakes and wheels and you can show me how its done..! LOL

Find me 2 turini's....please

 

[Gary G]

Is it definately the discs that cause the dust? If so mine are coming off asap as i cant be arsed with this shite no longer...would prefer to revert to standard! ...Although it no longer really matters as my 15month old cars paintwork/couple or sets of wheels have been very nearly ruined!! Mostly thanks to PF pads/high carbon disc's and open design wheels (5spokes). Curently running brand new turini's and having to pay (again!) to have my car professionally treated thanks to my choice of brakes :S Seriously is it the discs?? I'm running ds2500's so less harcore than you!

 

[stu8v]

Its a known issue with performance pads, they create lots of dust.
If you are not very keen on cleaning your car this dust then eats into your wheels and paint.....

 

[edde]

Is it definately the discs that cause the dust? If so mine are coming off asap as i cant be arsed with this sh*te no longer...would prefer to revert to standard! ...Although it no longer really matters as my 15month old cars paintwork/couple or sets of wheels have been very nearly ruined!! Mostly thanks to PF pads/high carbon disc's and open design wheels (5spokes). Curently running brand new turini's and having to pay (again!) to have my car professionally treated thanks to my choice of brakes :S Seriously is it the discs?? I'm running ds2500's so less harcore than you!

I'd think it is the disks. I'm sure regualar cleaning with 300's would help but its a hard setup. 2500's should be a lot better and regular cleaning will keep them clean i don't know how much care Evogone took with the car cleaning the wheels.
You could always go run 15's or something cheap and just accept they will get a hammering.

 

[Gary G]

edde...its not just the wheels i'm worried about! I had black dust stuck all over my paint work

...Might revert to oe discs; whats the benefit of the brembo ones anyway?

 

[EVOgone]

edde...its not just the wheels i'm worried about! I had black dust stuck all over my paint work

...Might revert to oe discs; whats the benefit of the brembo ones anyway?

Personally i think its the discs, its a known and common problem PF's and DS3000's eating discs but the Brembo "Hi Carbon" ones to me are really soft hence excessive dics material comming off.

Im going back to Reanult discs and DS2500 which i had for 10k and if washed every week were fine. These are the same price as the brembo ones from GSF..

 

[fizzy_drink]

I've managed 24k on std discs and pads.

I'll report my mileage on the BremoHC discs, and 2500 pads... (7k so far).

 

[EVOgone]

I've managed 24k on std discs and pads.

I'll report my mileage on the BremoHC discs, and 2500 pads... (7k so far).

Oms have you noticed more dust than with the previous set-up..?

 

[fizzy_drink]

^^

OH yes....!

Whether it's discs or pads... I dunno! (a bit of both??)

I still have the original dicscs (10-20% life left in them), but I can't be arsed trying to re-fit them!!

PS I've gone through a set or rears discs now: I can hear them grind when I brake.

 

[Nik]

I agree it's the discs. I've been running the PF pads on the original renault discs since I bought the Trophy, and the amount of dust has been cut by at least 50% compared with the same pads and Brembo HC discs i ran on the 172. The dust that is created still sticks like hell to the wheels though, but thats what you have to put up with with performance pads i guess.

I also found that the renault discs seem to last longer than the brembos when running the PF pads which i didn't expect. Braking performance didn't seem as good with the renault discs though and fade seemed to come on more easily.

 

[fizzy_drink]

^^

172 wheels not as good as cooling the discs?? (just a thought).

I wish I'd ran my 2500's on OEM discs now... just so I could add my 2p's worth!

Nevermoind!

And how is le trophy? is it as tail-happy as they say it is?

 

[y0z2a]

the renault OE discs are like butter, soft as hell

 

[Andy GDI]

its not the discs.......

its the pad material.

my wheels are totally buggered now due to high temps and brake dust bedding in them...

if I had cleaned them regulary it would not have been a problem....

I have tried power spray, hydrochoric descaling acid (NEAT), scrubbing brush.... did NOTHING......

so its wheel refurbishment time..and then regular cleaning.

your always going to get a fair bit of dust with decent pads.... there is simply no way round it... (that I have found yet)

 

[EVOgone]

the renault OE discs are like butter, soft as hell

My reanult discs lasted 21k 3 trackdays and 2 trips to the ring using DS2500 and never a major dust problem. Braking was also very good but did boil the std fluid, now replaced by Silkolene pro race 2000 no issues.

With the Hi carbon and the DS3000 2.5k and both pad and discs ar dead. Wheel are totally fucked.

Yes DS3000 will wear the discs our quicker than DS2500 but not 2.5k.....Yes performance was spot on no complaints.

For me and what others are saying std Renault discs are lasting longer with less dust.

I have posted before about the Brembo hi carbon discs and i have ben to the factory IDM or the material composition is acually stightly lower grade grey iron than the OEM discs.

 

[Gary G]

I've put a couple of coats of wax on my rims and they clean up fine but its the paint i'm worried about....got brazo outside giving it some PC action right now.

 

[EVOgone]

I've put a couple of coats of wax on my rims and they clean up fine but its the paint i'm worried about....got brazo outside giving it some PC action right now.

On the wing near the indicator and also on the side trm when you open the dooe - its all black/orange...

b**ch to get off.

 

[Guy]

is this going to happen with OE discs and ds2500's? :S

 

[EVOgone]

is this going to happen with OE discs and ds2500's? :S

Certainly no where near than with DS3000's. If you keep on top of it its fine.

We will see...!

 

[Guy]

i wash the wheels every week.. its just the bit you mentioned about inside the door shut

i love the nice clean brand new look of my doorshuts!

 

[EVOgone]

i wash the wheels every week.. its just the bit you mentioned about inside the door shut

i love the nice clean brand new look of my doorshuts!

The cup ones are like a matt colour and dont look right even after washing. The 182 ones are finished gloss. Make it easier to get the crap off.

Where the best / cheapest place to get Renault discs GSF ?????

 

[Andy GDI]

interesting about the Brembos.... following this I am going to look into it....

we stock all 3 types... bendix, brembo and OE so you have a choice....

 

[rob172cup]

so come on i want good brakes but dont want to wreck my wheels what disks and pads should i use? im on standard ones now

 

[edde]

so come on i want good brakes but dont want to wreck my wheels what disks and pads should i use? im on standard ones now

Standard arn't that bad, depends how you drive.

 

[Andy GDI]

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