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Brembo's, bit concerned.

Pinkorstink

Pinkorstink

Car  197
I have had my 197 for four weeks now (57 reg/12k miles) and despite having Brembo's up front they can't compare with the brakes on my standard 1.6 Megane. I was under the impression that these were something special but I ain't getting it. Anyone else experienced similar?
 
Quite solid, no spongieness. In fact, it feels just the same as the Megane but without the same result. I might have just had a cracking setup in the Megane. Saying that I went out in a Clio Cup Racer yesterday (Palmersport) and I had to give that some effort to get it to work.
 
Did the meggy have ABS? i had to get used to abs stepping up from the sax vtr, at 1st i thought the brakes wer Cack but i hadnet used abs before and was just pressing the peddle hard hence the abs kicking in. checked the pads and discs for glazing? sure the pistons are nice and free
 
Are you judging them from cold ? because I'm guessing they're supposed to come alive once hot whereas the meggys std brakes will be designed to work well from the off.
 
I'd suggest trying to find another 197 owner in your area who's willing to take you out. Shouldn't be too much trouble through here. The brakes should be good!
 
Shaunyboy said:
Did the meggy have ABS? i had to get used to abs stepping up from the sax vtr, at 1st i thought the brakes wer Cack but i hadnet used abs before and was just pressing the peddle hard hence the abs kicking in. checked the pads and discs for glazing? sure the pistons are nice and free
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Yes, it was an 07 and those brakes were awesome.

Aluco said:
Are you judging them from cold ? because I'm guessing they're supposed to come alive once hot whereas the meggys std brakes will be designed to work well from the off.
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In fairnes yes, my daily trip to work consists of two junctions on the motorway and that's really it so no real chance to get them warmed up; then again it was the same in the Megane.

Inferno said:
I'd suggest trying to find another 197 owner in your area who's willing to take you out. Shouldn't be too much trouble through here. The brakes should be good!
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Good call, I will look to attend a meet in the Midlands as soon as I can.

Thanks guys.
 
What pads are you using? the OEM setup doesnt cope well with the heat when the going gets tough and they fades away quickly.

But then again most aftermarket pads require heating up so will seem pants at first.

Brakes in mine arent all that special TBH, they're very good but thats about it.
 
ben_r1 said:
What pads are you using? the OEM setup doesnt cope well with the heat when the going gets tough and they fades away quickly.
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I believe they are standard pads. In the month I have had the car I have not taken it out on the twisties so perhaps I have not given them chance to impress. Well, it's a nice morning here so might go out and give it a blast. Will come back later with an update.
 
ben_r1 said:
What pads are you using? the OEM setup doesnt cope well with the heat when the going gets tough and they fades away quickly.

But then again most aftermarket pads require heating up so will seem pants at first.

Brakes in mine arent all that special TBH, they're very good but thats about it.
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TBH mate mine were of round Rockingham, small bit of fade towards the end!

They may seem like they dont stop "as well" but thats because there is more feel to them, if you want to stop quickly they will stop you V quickly!
 
Top tip remove the ABS fuse lol, nothing more exciting then locking the inside wheel into a fast corner, will make the brakes feel uber strong again :p

( Accepting no liability for you crashing btw )
 
ben_r1 said:
Top tip remove the ABS fuse lol, nothing more exciting then locking the inside wheel into a fast corner, will make the brakes feel uber strong again :p

( Accepting no liability for you crashing btw )
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ROFL! The insurers would nail you to a tree and give you a damn good thrashing is anything did happen after that! ;)

D.
 
I seem to have figured out the issue; it's me apparantly. Gave two of my brothers a blast and they think they are very good brakes. That's as maybe but the Meganes were better.
 
I have a Clio 1.6 16V and a Clio 182 and the initial bite is absolutley stronger in the 1.6. This has to do with the "brake boosting" system on the 1.6 (not on the 182).

Have problems each time I switch back to the everyday car where I have to tip toe the brake pedal. I bet its the same thing you experience on your RS.

Be happy for it, much harder to heel toe with a super sensitive pedal.
 
GodSpeed said:
Hehe okay, why buy a Clio Rs then? The fun starts after 5k revs you know ;) :rasp:
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It's a question I am asked everyday. A year ago I had a Fiat Stilo mJTD and that had 155bhp and 245ftlb. It was my pride and joy and regretted selling it. When I had the 1.6 Megane (very reliable) it was a living death and I vowed never to behave old again (I'm 46). I sold camera gear and the Megane and bought the Clio cash purely because I liked the looks; I know little about cars. I went on a Palmersport day last Thursday and learnt exactly what these cars can handle so now I need to build up my confidence in the car. I can drive fast, I came around 10th in the cup on the day (out of 100) but track & roads are a different ballgame. Whilst I'm at it can you please tell me what the following things are having seen them mentioned on this forum?

Splitter?
Flamer?
Valver?

Cheers
 
Pinkorstink said:
It's a question I am asked everyday. A year ago I had a Fiat Stilo mJTD and that had 155bhp and 245ftlb. It was my pride and joy and regretted selling it. When I had the 1.6 Megane (very reliable) it was a living death and I vowed never to behave old again (I'm 46). I sold camera gear and the Megane and bought the Clio cash purely because I liked the looks; I know little about cars. I went on a Palmersport day last Thursday and learnt exactly what these cars can handle so now I need to build up my confidence in the car. I can drive fast, I came around 10th in the cup on the day (out of 100) but track & roads are a different ballgame. Whilst I'm at it can you please tell me what the following things are having seen them mentioned on this forum?

Splitter? the black lip that is attatched under the front bumper of a car (Front spoiler)

Flamer? A colour of 172's - Flame red

Valver? Renault clio MK1 1.8 16v

Cheers
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:star:

ps. your forum name is minging. :rasp:
 
Brakes can feel very different on different cars...but how brakes feel and how they perform can be two very different things.

Just about all modern cars have a brake servo. This brake servo acts to increase the pressure you apply to the pedal, it's like a helping hand...for your foot! If you drive an old car without a servo you'd be amazed at just how hard to have to push the pedal to get the brakes working.

Now brake servo's can have a dramatic effect on the feel of the brakes. Too much assistance and the brakes will be quite harsh, applying a lot of stopping force without much pressure from your foot. This can give the feeling/impression that the brakes are good...but actually once applied hard in an attempt to stop the car, from say 70mph, they might not do a great job. You'll often read car reviews where the tester will say that the brakes feel 'over-servo'd' i.e. they have too much assistance and are grabby/jumpy. Our old Megane 1.6 had VERY grabby brakes...but once you'd applied them hard the stopping power wasn't anything amazing.

The 197 might be a car that doesn't have huge amounts of servo assistance. In this case you might have to push the pedal harder than you are used to. The brakes can (and being a 197 should) have great stopping power.

Ultimate stopping power is mainly dictated by the size of the disk, the compound/size of the brake pad as well as the weight of the car...in some cars it requires more effort from your leg/foot to extract the performance.

Of course your pads could be glazed or overly worn. Your brake fluid could be old + tired. Might be worth having some who knows check they are in good serviceable condition. Like you say a few people have tried the car and say it's ok.
 
Pinkorstink said:
It's a question I am asked everyday. A year ago I had a Fiat Stilo mJTD and that had 155bhp and 245ftlb. It was my pride and joy and regretted selling it. When I had the 1.6 Megane (very reliable) it was a living death and I vowed never to behave old again (I'm 46). I sold camera gear and the Megane and bought the Clio cash purely because I liked the looks; I know little about cars. I went on a Palmersport day last Thursday and learnt exactly what these cars can handle so now I need to build up my confidence in the car. I can drive fast, I came around 10th in the cup on the day (out of 100) but track & roads are a different ballgame. Whilst I'm at it can you please tell me what the following things are having seen them mentioned on this forum?

Splitter?
Flamer?
Valver?

Cheers
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Hi again!

Actually im from sweden so Im not so good at english slang or what ever to call it.

Splitter = is the "lip" of plastic placed at the bottom of the front. For example the Clio 1x2 cup versions have this front splitter.

Flamer = Dont know

Valver = Think it a name for the Clio I 16v (same version as the Williams)


You will have much fun with your car, the Clio RS 197 has great potential. A very good car.

A friend of mine has one, actually he keeps up with my highly modified 182 very well. His only mods is KW V3 coilovers and R888 tyres. He is a competition driver though wich Im not.

Enjoy :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB6VhnLO8cA&feature=related

If you eventually start thinking about an upgrade go for the KW V3 coilovers, just watch how that 197 sits in the corners... Very nice and solid
 
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I agree wit Tav, my old C2 felt like it had amazing brakes because the initial bite was very strong. The brembos on the 197 are on a different level, I think you need to find some time to test them properly :)
 
I would agree with the above. You often find that brakes (and steering etc) on "normal" everyday type cars are over assisted to make them easier to drive. All it means is you have to lean on them a bit harder. I noticed this straight away moving from a 1.2 to a 182.
 
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