Cam belt locking tools

[Fred@BTM]

who do we send our invoices to? Cliosport?

 

[sideways danny]

Fred/Danny if one of you can copy the guide in the guides section, ammend the bits that are incorrect, then PM it me, I will update it. A job such as that needs to be done correctly.

OR

pay someone who knows how to do it right

 

[The Boosh!]

Ahh I have worked you two out now... Let peoples follow that guide and fvck it up, then they have to visit one of you to get it fixed. Fair play

 

[Fred@BTM]

unfortunatley its one of my most common jobs, redoing people's own attempts and garages attempts

 

[Mr R.]

unfortunatley its one of my most common jobs, redoing people's own attempts and garages attempts

Fred, whats the labour charge if the bits are supplied?

Cheers

 

[Mr R.]

no no no

undo inlet and exhaust cam (crank pulley will already be loose by this point)

fit new belt and tension

rotate cam assemlbly at least twice, i do it backwards, with ALL the pullies loose (inlet, exhaust and crank) but the cams/crank are still locked in place

check tension

THEN and only then if the tension marks line up you re torque the cam/crank pullies

remove locking tools

THEN you turn the engine over a few times by hand and THEN check the cam timing

Its a bit like a Ford Zetec, cam pullies have no key and free wheel..

 

[Fred@BTM]

labour to fit a belt kit if you supply the bits?

i don't do it fella, as i can't offer any form of warranty due to me not supplying the bits (hassle if you have a part failure, unlikley, but i don't want to get envolved with it if you understand)

i'm £425 inc vat with 12months warranty, full cambelt kit and FULL aux belt kit

when you break down the labour charge and the parts cost of the above price you're basically paying trade for the bits anyway!

 

[Mr R.]

labour to fit a belt kit if you supply the bits?

i don't do it fella, as i can't offer any form of warranty due to me not supplying the bits (hassle if you have a part failure, unlikley, but i don't want to get envolved with it if you understand)

i'm £425 inc vat with 12months warranty, full cambelt kit and FULL aux belt kit

when you break down the labour charge and the parts cost of the above price you're basically paying trade for the bits anyway!

I understand Fred and i dont blame you tbh, i have the locking kit now so i will have a go at doing it now.
Just could do with some step by step info....

Cheers all the best

 

[sussex_gti]

the front tool isn't really to do with timing as such. The actual position of the pulleys doesn't matter at all. By fitting the pulley locking tool (AFTER tensioning the belt) you are holding the pulleys still while torquing the pulleys up to stop the cams (and cam lock tool) from twisting

Got you. Thats what I thought about the pullies, as long as its timed correctly with the tools, tensioned evenly as Fred mentioned, and the pullies are free of any contaminants, then torqued up correctly, I shouldnt have any problems.

Sorry if i'm sounding like I should'nt be doing it, its not that at all! As said before, just great to get a Specialists opinion. I've been a mechanic for 10 years, but that doesnt mean you know everything!

 

[Fred@BTM]

if anyone gets stuck feel free to call me

 

[sussex_gti]

Cheers Fred. I'm 99% i'll be fine, check 2,3,4 times if need be. Appreciate all the help.

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Fred: is there any literature available do you know on changing the Cam belt? Mines due in December and i'd like to do some swatting.

 

[f0xy]

Renault PDF a few pages back and a guide in the guides section on here. Both slightly different, but use Freds advice/notes in this thread too

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Sweet, Thanks Jord x

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Seems to be no text in the PDF of fastchip??

 

[f0xy]

Odd! Shows up ok for me, lol.

There is another copy somewhere, il try and find the link

 

[JoedotwasT5phy]

Thank you :star:

 

[Mr R.]

if anyone gets stuck feel free to call me

Thanks Fred i will, are you working tomo so i can give a quick call?

Kind Regards..

 

[Mr R.]

Odd! Shows up ok for me, lol.

There is another copy somewhere, il try and find the link

That will be good, i now have the parts and the Renault tools.

 

[sussex_gti]

That will be good, i now have the parts and the Renault tools.

Did you have any problem ordering the parts from Renault? I'll keep my thoughts reserved about my local Renault dealer, but 11 days for a c.v boot?.....:S

 

[Mr R.]

Did you have any problem ordering the parts from Renault? I'll keep my thoughts reserved about my local Renault dealer, but 11 days for a c.v boot?.....:S

No not at all, i ordered the bits on weds and my wife pick them up this afternoon.
I got a list of the part numbers off of here as Renault "techs" where saying that you only need two tools to do the job.

Apart from that, a piece of cake..

 

[Fred@BTM]

phone is 24hours mate, call me anytime

 

[Mr R.]

phone is 24hours mate, call me anytime

Thank you very much i will do, i just need a step by step on what to remove and then on "how to do"

Kind regards.....

 

[mocod]

Bit of a thread hijack here, but on the same topic.

About to order the tools and timing belt kit to sort my car out (as the belt has come all loose)

In the workshop manual it says:

When this operation is carried out, it is essential
to change:
- the exhaust camshaft pulley nut,
- the inlet camshaft phase shifter bolt,
- the camshaft seals,
- the phase shifter blanking piece seal.

So does the Gates timing belt kit come with all these bits? I'm pretty sure it comes with the camshaft seals, but not sure about the rest. How essential is it to use new nuts/bolts for the camshaft pulleys?

Cheers

 

[RoryW]

If your cam belts gone all loose id imagine you'll need to add a couple valves to that list :dapprove:

 

[hmh]

I doubt belt kit comes with seals. For Clio 172 you would need cam seals set 7701471629 (2 seals, nut, bolt, blanking piece seal). Not sure it suits 182, double check.
You need to measure the bolt if you want to save it, see the same manual for bolt length limit. Nut is not measurable I suppose.

 

[Mr R.]

I doubt belt kit comes with seals. For Clio 172 you would need cam seals set 7701471629 (2 seals, nut, bolt, blanking piece seal). Not sure it suits 182, double check.
You need to measure the bolt if you want to save it, see the same manual for bolt length limit. Nut is not measurable I suppose.

Cheers for that i dont have these bits but the Gates belt kit does come with the 2 black rubber blanking covers for the end of the cams.

 

[mocod]

Thanks for info. I was thinking of the blanking plugs as seals, but the seals are at the other end.

Since I'm taking the head off, hopefully the head gasket kit will have those seals, maybe even the nut/bolt too.

 

[Fred@BTM]

^no you have to buy a seal kit from renault, i'll chuck the part number up shortly

 

[sideways danny]

i've had a gasket kit from Renault a few times that's had every combination of seals and bolts you can think of for an F4R (vvt, non vvt, etc) I have a box of about 30 spare cam seals, cam nuts, and phase shifter bolts because of it lol