Clio 172 modding help.

[tylerrice]

Hi guys,

I have a 2002 Clio 2 RS 172. I also have a turbo kit on the way for it and all the parts for a major service 9timing belt, water pump, aux belt, etc)

I need some advice on what to do with the ECU in managing the turbo. Do I get a tool to read the factory ECU and reflash / retune it? or a piggyback ECU of somesort or a complete replacement?

How would I find out exactly what ECU I have to get a tool to read the ECu so that I can take that and the car to a tuner to sort out a nice tune for it.

ANy advice would be greatly appreciated thanks!

 

[levaz]

Welcome to the club.

It sounds like you're about to take on a big project, without much F4R knowledge/experience behind you?
Before anyone else jumps in and stamps on you, have you got all the correct equipment for doing a cambelt change on one of these cars?

Whereabouts are you based?

You may be better off in the long run taking it to a specialist who can do all the work required.

 

[tylerrice]

I have a specialist doing the service and friends with quiet a good engine knowledge for the turbo kit. But a very fair concern. Wouldn't dive in without the correct people to help me.

But yeah just need some help with the ecu hurdle.

 

[levaz]

I'd have a look into who's local to you that's capable of mapping it up.
Clio Turbo would be my first shout, but I don't know how far they are from you.

 

[tylerrice]

So I'm located in Adelaide, South Australia.
But yeah it would make it easier if I knew what I needed for the tuner so it's all good to go on the day. If I can do it on the stock ecu I just need to get the appropriate interface so the tuner can re flash the ecu or I can get an ecu that will work with what I got for the tuner to sort out.

 

[levaz]

Ahh, that may make a trip to clioturbo a little more difficult! lol

Might be someone on here that has an RS Tuner with a turbo map file, but no idea.

 

[tylerrice]

Haha yeah :tongueout:

So your saying that you think the standard ECU will handle it fine?

So long as I can find a turbo map. If I cannot what is my next choice?

 

[Cub.]

I'd buy a standalone ECU and get that fitted and mapped. I have a gen90 in mine which may work well for you in that plugs into the existing ECU connections. You'd need both the ECU and a dongle (software and unlock code on it) to let you map it from K-tec racing. They ship internationally I believe so that solves that problem.

I'm not sure that standard ECU is up to the job, nor is it easy for a mapper to use the standard item for a turbo map.

 

[tylerrice]

I have looked at the Gen90 ECU but that is over $2000 AUD to get. That is a lot compared to some other possible solutions. Anyone know of other ECUs that have been used for this purpose. I heard that a new map on the stock ECU + an AEM F/IC does the job. But if someone could confirm what map on the ECU and how well it worked.

 

[Cub.]

I have looked at the Gen90 ECU but that is over $2000 AUD to get. That is a lot compared to some other possible solutions. Anyone know of other ECUs that have been used for this purpose. I heard that a new map on the stock ECU + an AEM F/IC does the job. But if someone could confirm what map on the ECU and how well it worked.

I don't know of anyone running a boosted clio on the standard ECU, but I'd be interested to see if it does work with an AEM F/IC piggybacking off it.

Whilst the Gen90 may seem a lot, it is tried and tested and as long as the person mapping it has half a brain it won't result in needing a new engine. Which isn't exactly cheap.....

2000 AUS dollars is about the same as you'd pay here. It also has the advantages of not needing loom modification / splicing.

Other ECU's - Adaptronic, Typhoon, Omex and EC1 have all been used.

 

[tylerrice]

Thanks for the Info.

Do you think something like the AEM FIC piggybacks will do on their own with a stock ECU or the AEM FIC + RS Tuner and one of the base flashes that comes with it?

Otherwise maybe I look into the EMS-4?

 

[tylerrice]

Or potentially even a Microsquirt ?

 

[StuOwen86]

Doesn't EFi parts map turbo's on the standard ecu (I know he's a bit far from Australia lol) but I'm sure @Chi or @bloke can confirm this although I think it's only low boost setups.

Stu

 

[bloke]

yup, the mapping is sorted but he's waiting on henk to encrypt the map and then it should be readily available.

 

[tylerrice]

Ok cool as I am only interested in a low boost setup. @bloke how could I go about obtaining this map? Possible to buy and get a RS Tuner then flash it on to my ECU? or sort out a way to remotely do it if I was to grab myself a RS Tuner?

Thanks

 

[tylerrice]

Would the AEM F/IC piggyback be of any use? I mean does it do enough to manage the turbo with the factory ECU left stock.?

 

[StuOwen86]

Here is EFi website
http://www.efi-parts.co.uk/

 

[bloke]

as far as i know the plan is still for it to be released as a map for the rs tuner.

 

[Laine_16v]

Adaptronic is an Austrailian company so that would be a good place to start as i would imagine its available and well priced as it hasnt left the country! A lot of clio turbo conversions use the ECU. If you talked nicely with Andy @ Clioturbo im sure he would kindly let you know which wires to splice into (its not that many), and might be able to send you a known map to get you up and running.

If i was in your position this is the route i would go down. Im sure there are an abundance of adaptronic mappers over there aswell.

 

[tylerrice]

Ok thanks, I might look into that and go down that path. Just gotta get rid of my Nissan EXA.

 

[Dan@SJM]

100% autronic, be silly not to being over there!

 

[gambit]

Yep your in oz so lots of choices, motec, autronic, link, haltec, vipec, wolf, microtech. Essentially you need to find a tuner who preferences your desired ecu.