Clio 4 RS VS Fiesta ST EcoBoost

[Jaff.]

Apologies as I haven't read all the posts, but there were a few Fiesta ST's at the RS central day at Santa Pod Sun and f**k me that trout pout grille is AWFUL

​Its called a guppy grille and it looks awesome!

 

[Gally]

I thought the ZS was stunning looking from the rear 3/4 view. Great shape at the rear of the car. And, well, anything in that colour is win for me. Still miss Imperial Blue!

 

[jezcharger]

Have you seen one in the flesh? The font 3/4 view looks awful, up there with a bug eye impreza, looks like its had a stroke lol

 

[Gally]

You're wrong but thanks for the opinion.

 

[Sir_Dave]

Orange is fairly epic as well tbh:

 

[jezcharger]

You're wrong but thanks for the opinion.

Down's car:rasp:

 

[jamier27]

Very nice in every angle tbh, but mark I wouldn't make a decision for a 5 yr plan til you have at least seen/driven the 4 RS!

this healthy competition will only speed up the release of a recaro'd storm grey Clio 200t with brembos.
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[chris_p]

These look like cracking cars.
The front end looks very Aston Martin, which is a ridiculous thing to say about a fiesta!

Id imagine 250bhp will be fairly easy to get from a basic map, and with some bolt on mods what, 280bhp? That'd be around 230-255bhp/ton. In a fiesta. Epic! I just hope they'll put the power down ok.

 

[timps]

As said 5 years is along time to keep the same car, I will be going for the 2 year option they offer which will give me the chance to own a 4RS with more options that are currently offered (hopefully) if I decide I want to change

 

[Sir_Dave]

FYI, Revo have been getting 230bhp out of the Fiesta ST already ...

 

[Gally]

Yeah the engine has been sent out for development for quite a while now.

 

[MarkCup]

FYI, Revo have been getting 230bhp out of the Fiesta ST already ...

That's plenty. 200bhp/ton is enough for me on any road and track I know.

Just had an interesting call from an online discount retailer...the deal I was looking at is getting better and better!

 

[Sir_Dave]

Just had an interesting call from an online discount retailer...the deal I was looking at is getting better and better!

Yup, its a Ford. Nigh on impossible to buy one new without a huge discount iirc.

In 2 mins online i found them with £2k off lol.

 

[Gally]

See the one posted earlier. Had options also.

 

[daydotz]

Orange ftw

 

[DrR]

What quotes you guys getting?

 

[MarkCup]

Circa £1,500 discount is what I'm seeing, but I've had variations of £750 on my 200 as a part-ex.

 

[John Gordon]

In reality, cars like the Clio and the Fiesta are much of a muchness. There will be very little between them on the grand scale of things, its just down to personal preference. I would not be disappointing with either, however I have plumbed to go for the Clio because of the greater tech included with the car. I am looking forward to taking mine on track to play around with the box and mastering left foot braking.

Those dismissing the Clio because of its engine are mental, there are Jukes in the RS running over 300bhp easily. Its a jap engine... not french.

 

[Gally]

They aren't that much different?

You're definitely on drugs.

 

[MarkCup]

In reality, cars like the Clio and the Fiesta are much of a muchness. There will be very little between them on the grand scale of things, its just down to personal preference.

I agree. Power wise, ultimate spec wise, handling wise, they're as good as identical.

Price wise? They're leagues apart (driven by the technology I know).

Ability of the manufacturer to organise a pi** up in a brewery? Again, they're leagues apart. This is what's most convinced me to move away. Price changes following the press release. Release date changes. Dealers not having the first idea about what's going on or if they can take orders. Throw in a few road-tester doubts about the 'box, its speed of response, its strange ratios etc. and the ST was always in with a very firm shout.

For me, enough of a shout to say 'f*** you Renault' and to try another brand.

 

[Munson]

Do it. There's life after Renaultsport.

Word of warning though, some of the main franchise dealers are just as hopeless as anything with a Renault sign outside.

 

[Knuckles]

Based on looks, hot hatch makers have really dropped the ball... They couldn't have been lazier with setting them apart from the rest. Fancy just changing bumpers.

 

[seb]

Shame there is no 5 door tbh.

 

[MarkCup]

Shame there is no 5 door tbh.

I have to say if there was, I'd have that over the 3.

Are there many reputable 'specialists' out there Roy?

 

[Munson]

Are there many reputable 'specialists' out there Roy?

It's a Ford, dude. Specialists all over the place I would imagine. SCC Performance in St. Albans are mustard, and I happen to know that they already have a Fiesta ST development car in-house. They're also a Revo dealer

 

[jamier27]

Readers car fiesta ST

http://mobile.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=47&t=1278288&mid=113183&nmt=My+2013+Fiesta+ST2

 

[Munson]

Awful thrones, but otherwise awesome. I think they are fantastic looking little cars.

 

[John Gordon]

They aren't that much different?

You're definitely on drugs.

Ok, elaborate, don't make a dick end of a statement especially attacking my character without at least half an attempt a reason.

 

[J.B.]

Interesting. Looks like I may have made the right decision after all.

Did you order one?

 

[Gally]

So they're the same cars? But colour and badge are the only difference?

It's just a statement that could be applied to any 2 cars in the same sector anywhere, ie ridiculous.

 

[Daniel]

Readers car fiesta ST

http://mobile.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=47&t=1278288&mid=113183&nmt=My+2013+Fiesta+ST2

Are they the same seats from a 1989 Carlton GSI?

Apart from that, I really like it.

 

[John Gordon]

So they're the same cars? But colour and badge are the only difference?

It's just a statement that could be applied to any 2 cars in the same sector anywhere, ie ridiculous.

Never said that did I, they are very different, but on tech sheets they are pretty much the same, around track they are going to be very close and on a day to day basis there is not going to be much to separate them. I personally think the Clio is streets ahead of the fiesta, the trick dampers and gearbox for starters. But if you look at specs such as interior equipment there's not really any defining features that sets them apart, they are both small shopping boxes with turbos bolted to them.

 

[Munson]

I'm willing to bet that the Fiesta will offer a better drive day-to-day overall. Modern Fords feel amazing even when just driving in a straight line to the shops. They've got their s**t down. Clio might offer a quicker lap time around the local industrial estate, and the gearbox will of course appeal to many.

Not sure which I would choose. Probably the Ford.

 

[Daniel]

Does it not scare anyone that all of this technology, in a clio, will not end well?

Lets look at the history...

Keyless entry; Cards break, card readers fail, sensors randomly fall out of the doors on meganes.

TPMS; Permanent failure. iirc, dealers now offer a service to switch them off because they fail so often.

I'm not sure i'd be too confident with an electronic gear change, not to mention all of the tech in the new clio 4.

​I'm happy to be proved wrong though.

 

[John Gordon]

I'm willing to bet that the Fiesta will offer a better drive day-to-day overall. Modern Fords feel amazing even when just driving in a straight line to the shops. They've got their s**t down. Clio might offer a quicker lap time around the local industrial estate, and the gearbox will of course appeal to many.

Not sure which I would choose. Probably the Ford.

I think the new dampers will help the clio, supple when needed but also good enough to keep it from wobbling about when you want some fun. Looking forward to driving it.

 

[John Gordon]

Does it not scare anyone that all of this technology, in a clio, will not end well?

Lets look at the history...

Keyless entry; Cards break, card readers fail, sensors randomly fall out of the doors on meganes.

TPMS; Permanent failure. iirc, dealers now offer a service to switch them off because they fail so often.

I'm not sure i'd be too confident with an electronic gear change, not to mention all of the tech in the new clio 4.

​I'm happy to be proved wrong though.

Renaults history is not gleaming is it, in fairness the box is built by someone else and all Renault had to do was map it.

 

[Munson]

Does it not scare anyone that all of this technology, in a clio, will not end well?

Lets look at the history...

Keyless entry; Cards break, card readers fail, sensors randomly fall out of the doors on meganes.

TPMS; Permanent failure. iirc, dealers now offer a service to switch them off because they fail so often.

I'm not sure i'd be too confident with an electronic gear change, not to mention all of the tech in the new clio 4.

​I'm happy to be proved wrong though.

Yes, it would scare me. More so as the asking price increases. They simply don't appear to put their cars through the same rigorous testing that everyone else does. They don't even endurance test steering wheels or seat trims. Or if they do, they ignore the results.

 

[Daniel]

Yes, it would scare me. More so as the asking price increases. They simply don't appear to put their cars through the same rigorous testing that everyone else does. They don't even endurance test steering wheels or seat trims. Or if they do, they ignore the results.

Ahh, Jean Claude, we muzt tezt ziz steerng weel, hold thi......

Non! I am eeting cheez, it iz time for ze luuunch.

 

[Šįk]

I really like this ST-2.. But think I prefer the 200T!

 

[Munson]

It's a animal.