Clio 4 RS VS Fiesta ST EcoBoost

[Munson]

Rumour has it that revo are getting something like 230hp from this engine. That would be one pretty punchy Fiesta.

Do the same to the Clio and it'd probably throw a rod. If the gearbox didn't implode first

 

[chris_p]

well you could always just do the ARB's, coilovers and bushes on the Ibiza, and adjust the steering via the diagnostic port.

but anyway, if you want to drive cheap warm hatches all your life be my guest. But when you can pick up a hot hatch with 250+ bhp that gain another 50hp with just a remap, have a decent build quality and interior albeit a year or so old, I don't know why you would want to buy these new generation of small "hot" hatches which have lost the chcharm of predecessors. All they now are is alot slower versions of their bigger brothers in the range.

Pointless argument!

I don't see how you think the latest hot/warm hatches haven't moved the game on? I've been impressed with the new line up tbh, they've managed to keep the weight down to a respectable level considering modern safety regulations, low emissions (which sadly, is a consideration today), quick by most people's standards out of the box and bags of tuning potential that the last breed didn't have in their weasy n/a spec.

As stated earlier in the thread, the new ST weighs in around 1100kg, it's 200bhp, with a basic map it's going to be around 250bhp, that's around 230bhp/ton.

Just to put it out there, that's more than your TT RS in standard guise. Jus sayin.

We're not going into the debate of depreciation, its irrelivent.

I think 18k is a good price for a brand new fezza st. I wouldn't buy one new as I have no need for a new car, I'd rather spend my money on something second hand like you but you can't knock the list price just because it will depreciate in time!

 

[PovertyRS]

Maybe some people like having brand new cars? Just a thought.

​A fool and his money are easily parted



lmao,50hp gain from a remap on a 1.6, and a ford unit at that. Oh and Revo maps, maxed out boost, high EGTs, and dropping into fuel protect mode with probably a good dose of misfires thrown in. Been there done that I'd look at other mappers. Lol 250hp.

 

[Munson]

The Ecoboost engines are pretty much universally praised as being great. Lol at "and a ford unit at that".

Good trolling though. Enjoying this thread

FYI I have no personal experience of revo, and I probably wouldn't map a brand new Fiesta ST. Mountune will be the place to watch for warranty friendly upgrades.

 

[JCC]

Ah I see the new vs used retards have arrived.

I expect it won't be long before someone says "Don't buy a new Fiesta ST, buy an old Sierra Cosworth instead".

 

[Jaff.]

Ah I see the new vs used retards have arrived.

I expect it won't be long before someone says "Don't buy a new Fiesta ST, buy an old Sierra Cosworth instead".

​Last of the true fast fords?

 

[PovertyRS]

Ford engines.... Their quoted power especially when modified never meet expectations out on the road.

just look at the focus ST or focus RS. Hell we can add vauxhall engines to that list. 420bhp focus RS/st still slower than say a 360bhp VAG. How does that work then, even with the displacement and cylinder advantage? Vauxhall is the same, my mates needed to do big turbo conversions to even stay with stock turbo 2.0tfsi VAG cars.

anyway we have gone wayyyyy off topic, I don't get the fiesta st hype, only reason I could see someone wanting one is that they are potentially very cheap to run, but from a performance point of view, it brings nothing new to the table. 200hp hot hatches is so late 90's.

 

[Jaff.]

Have you driven an Eco boost out of curiosity?

you sound like a bit of a vag fanboy actually. No suprise considering you drive one. Everyone wants to defend their own cars after all, despite their pitfalls

 

[Poopensharten]

Ford engines.... Their quoted power especially when modified never meet expectations out on the road.

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That's definitely wrong.

 

[PovertyRS]

That's definitely wrong.

Proof otherwise?

i can easily prove that 2.0tfsi VAG cars with 350-360hp on stock turbo, full interior and 99 Ron outgun 420bhp focus RS

 

[PovertyRS]

Have you driven an Eco boost out of curiosity? you sound like a bit of a vag fanboy actually. No suprise considering you drive one. Everyone wants to defend their own cars after all, despite their pitfalls

when it comes to straight lines I have alot of experience in knowing that VAG units are for some reason superior to that of ford and vauxhall as I attend 30-130mph days.

engines and build quality is VAG's strongest point, Renault make good chassis and overall drivers cars but their engines and gearboxes could be stronger whilst arguably VAGs could be more driver orientated, but apparently they purposefully design their cars to drive how they want.

 

[Poopensharten]

What the f**k are you talking about??

Where did i mention anything about racing/outgunning? If a Focus RS has around 300bhp to start with and then it's fettled to 400+ it feels exactly the same as any other car modified to the same degree - you're getting very hostile about Ford.

 

[Bluebeard]

VAGs could be more driver orientated, but apparently they purposefully design their cars to drive how they want.

I don't really know what to do with this information...

Are you saying that other manufacturers have no idea how their cars will drive??

 

[Gally]

I feel like he's Chip's Brother!

 

[Jaff.]

LOL

just another VAG fanboi.

​im out

 

[PovertyRS]

What the f**k are you talking about??

Where did i mention anything about racing/outgunning? If a Focus RS has around 300bhp to start with and then it's fettled to 400+ it feels exactly the same as any other car modified to the same degree - you're getting very hostile about Ford.

Lmao, what's so hard to understand?

a 420hp car with similar weight to that of a 360hp car should be faster. You seemingly disagreed.

 

[PovertyRS]

I don't really know what to do with this information...

Are you saying that other manufacturers have no idea how their cars will drive??

So they purposefully design their cars with it in mind that s**t falls off at speed lmao. No wonder the jap and French tat need to tape up their bodywork on vmax days.

we can both be stupid

 

[Gally]

I'm also thinking he hasn't researched Ecoboost engines at all.

Some reading. http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/286480/ford_ecoboost_racer_sets_ring_time.html

Yeah it was a 1.0litre.

 

[Jaff.]

I'm also thinking he hasn't researched Ecoboost engines at all.

Some reading. http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/286480/ford_ecoboost_racer_sets_ring_time.html

Yeah it was a 1.0litre.

Wasnt as fast as a 1.0 Audi engine though... Despite having the same bhp

 

[PovertyRS]

Lmao what does that prove? Racecar posts fast ring lap time shocker?

 

[PovertyRS]

Wasnt as fast as a 1.0 Audi engine though... Despite having the same bhp

​Area under the curve

 

[Jaff.]

I suggest you do some reading up about the ecoboost engine then.

new fiesta happens to have one, just FYI

itl never truly be a good engine though. Not when there are super engines like the pd in German drivers cars

 

[gez 172]

LOL @ some of the replies in here.

If no one bought new, you wouldn't have your 2nd hand cars to buy lol.

 

[Poopensharten]

I'm out!

 

[PovertyRS]

LOL @ some of the replies in here.

If no one bought new, you wouldn't have your 2nd hand cars to buy lol.

thats why we need the fools, to take the depreciation hit

 

[Gally]

Wasnt as fast as a 1.0 Audi engine though... Despite having the same bhp

Come again I must have missed that.

My point wasn't about the laptime. It was the fact they extracted power out a 1.0 Ecoboost engine.

The 2.0T in the ST will be just as tuneable. We'll see what/if the RS brings to compete with the big boys.

 

[Poopensharten]

Fools? So what about the 99% of them that are leased/pcp'd and then handed back after a term of months? Are you retarded?

 

[PovertyRS]

I suggest you do some reading up about the ecoboost engine then.

new fiesta happens to have one, just FYI

itl never truly be a good engine though. Not when there are super engines like the pd in German drivers cars

all hail the eco boost. Ford say its special in their marketing blurb so it must be true. Lmao

until i see some v-box figures from one it will just be tarred with the same brush as the rest of the ford performance engines until proven otherwise.

 

[PovertyRS]

Come again I must have missed that.

My point wasn't about the laptime. It was the fact they extracted power out a 1.0 Ecoboost engine.

The 2.0T in the ST will be just as tuneable. We'll see what/if the RS brings to compete with the big boys.

we will see, but I'd like to add, it's not hard to get power from small capacity engines, but doing so reliably and with good spread of torque, transient response and non peaky delivery is, whilst not running out of puff at higher speeds.

 

[Bluebeard]

So they purposefully design their cars with it in mind that s**t falls off at speed lmao. No wonder the jap and French tat need to tape up their bodywork on vmax days.

we can both be stupid

I'm obviously considerably more stupider than you because I have no idea wtf you're on about.

 

[gez 172]

I can only imagine that your TTRS is a complete high miler dog CAT D/C , sounds like you want everything for peanuts.

do you try and mix red diesel in with your fuel for the '172 track car'?

 

[PovertyRS]

Fools? So what about the 99% of them that are leased/pcp'd and then handed back after a term of months? Are you retarded?

Well that's completely different to actually owning the car at the end of the term. But you are still spending like what, 250-300 a month on a small car? Effectively you are still paying for the depreciation.

 

[PovertyRS]

I can only imagine that your TTRS is a complete high miler dog CAT D/C , sounds like you want everything for peanuts.

do you try and mix red diesel in with your fuel for the '172 track car'?

lmao, I've had it for 2.5 years now, 17.5k on the clock

 

[Gally]

I'm still laughing at Ford engines being pants. The mind boggles.

400bhp is no fun if you fall asleep at the wheel mate. There is a reason people buy these type of cars. 200/ST etc they're fun.

They could have an 8P S3 and change for hookers but they don't want that. You sound like the Vag fanboi that used to rave about A3s being better than S3s.

 

[PovertyRS]

A3's are boring, s3's are boring too unless modified. I speak the truth. Good engines though.

fun they may be, but a 172 cup is seemingly more fun.

 

[gez 172]

lmao, I've had it for 2.5 years now, 17.5k on the clock

Sounds like your too tight to drive it then, it's hardly moved with that mileage. Garage queen is it?

or is it just used for doing hair cut appointments?

 

[Bluebeard]

Well that's completely different to actually owning the car at the end of the term. But you are still spending like what, 250-300 a month on a small car? Effectively you are still paying for the depreciation.

I don't wish to alarm you and you may wish to sit down...

But people expect to pay money to drive cars.

I know! Shocking isn't it.

 

[Jaff.]

It was a joke gally. Taking the mick out of the fanboy.

he seems to be hitting full r****d now though so I'm out... Again

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Times have changed I'm afraid.

Ford now have really really good build quality. VW do not.

Anyone, Ford haters or not can't deny the there engines are awesome. Very very strong and over engineered for the job.

 

[PovertyRS]

Sounds like your too tight to drive it then, it's hardly moved with that mileage. Garage queen is it?

or is it just used for doing hair cut appointments?

Its because I'm doing a full race engine build with a big turbo kit, clutch, and fuelling system all need to be developed, and that takes a while.