Clio ph2 1.6 Inlet manifold upgrade

[EvoFq3o0]

Hey have a few questions that I'm hoping some of you could answer for me please.

As I've decided to stick with my 2004 Clio 1.6 16v for another year, maybe two as it's only done 32k and was only offered 1400 on a part ex against a 182.

anyway I currently have a powerflow exhaust from the cat back and a k&n panel filter, But not too happy with the sound.

So looking into upgrading the following:

Inlet manifold
Exhaust manifold
Change to a induction kit

Possibly consider changing to a full k-tec with decat followed by a remap if I can get the inlet and exhaust manifolds sorted.

But what I'd like to know is can I use a 172/182 inlet manifold without too much modification.

What's a recommended exhaust manifold and does anyone know of a garage in the Bolton/Manchester area that specialises in Clio tuning.

any other recommendations are welcomed

Cheers in advance

 

[dave438]

Would be far cheaper to just fit a 172 engine than to try and adapt 172 bits to fit the 1.4, or better still to sell it and buy a 172, plus the 172 would probably be cheaper to insure than if you start messing around modifying a 1.4 a lot.

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

Hey have a few questions that I'm hoping some of you could answer for me please. As I've decided to stick with my 2004 Clio 1.6 16v for another year, maybe two as it's only done 32k and was only offered 1400 on a part ex against a 182. anyway I currently have a powerflow exhaust from the cat back and a k&n panel filter, But not too happy with the sound. So looking into upgrading the following: Inlet manifold Exhaust manifold Change to a induction kit Possibly consider changing to a full k-tec with decat followed by a remap if I can get the inlet and exhaust manifolds sorted. But what I'd like to know is can I use a 172/182 inlet manifold without too much modification. What's a recommended exhaust manifold and does anyone know of a garage in the Bolton/Manchester area that specialises in Clio tuning. any other recommendations are welcomed Cheers in advance

Hey man, I've a 1.4 16V with a near identical engine (yours has a longer stroke) to you, I've some of the same mods - powerflow from the cat, straight back, no centre box, I put a K&N 57i on to it as well. Sounds wise - it can be pretty boomy, thankfully only on accelleration, cruising around in gear, it louder but you wont have people staring at you.

Inlet Manifold: I don't think the inlet manifold is changable without spending huge money, I've seen a thread here where someone replaced theirs with an aluminium version they had fabricated. There isn't an off-the-shelf version afaik, you'd need to contact somewhere like Angelworks or another engineering firm and have them quote you.

Exhaust manifold: Raceland 4-2-1 or 4-1 Manifolds for our engines, i can never seem to find them anywhere but occasionally they come up for sale.

Induction kit: I got a K&N 57i as i said above, pretty nice, gives it a good roar when you're flat to the mats, if getting one i'd say get a 57i Gen2 as it comes with a heat sheild around the cone filter, reducing heatsoak and power loss. Of course, there are plenty other kits availiable and you can also fashion your own from some silicone, alloy bends and a filter, Plenty of threads and guides on here!

I'm hoping at some stage to remap mine as well, on the K4J 1400, there's about a 10% gain in bhp and torque maximum, around the same on your K4M 1600.

If I can recommend anything to you: It's pay £10 for full membership on this site, The access to guides and trader section is one of the best purchases you'll make for your clio.

 

[ben lee]

Hey have a few questions that I'm hoping some of you could answer for me please.

As I've decided to stick with my 2004 Clio 1.6 16v for another year, maybe two as it's only done 32k and was only offered 1400 on a part ex against a 182.

anyway I currently have a powerflow exhaust from the cat back and a k&n panel filter, But not too happy with the sound.

So looking into upgrading the following:

Inlet manifold
Exhaust manifold
Change to a induction kit

Possibly consider changing to a full k-tec with decat followed by a remap if I can get the inlet and exhaust manifolds sorted.

But what I'd like to know is can I use a 172/182 inlet manifold without too much modification.

What's a recommended exhaust manifold and does anyone know of a garage in the Bolton/Manchester area that specialises in Clio tuning.

any other recommendations are welcomed

Cheers in advance

the cylinder spacing is different between the 172 and 1.6 so wont fit. the metal inlet manifold from a twingo rs looks better than the plastic on the clios and should be a straight swap.

there is a 4-1 raceland manifold available for the 1.6 managed to get one for mine.
its poss the K-tec twingo exhaust manifold might fit then use a clio d-cat and system for the clio.
dbilas do an off the shelf inlet manifold for the 1.6.

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

the metal inlet manifold from a twingo rs looks better than the plastic on the clios and should be a straight swap.. dbilas do an off the shelf inlet manifold for the 1.6.

Oh really? I knew it used a modified k4m but this just never crossed my mind, they have longer/larger ports too don't they? I may have to invest..

 

[ben lee]

Oh really? I knew it used a modified k4m but this just never crossed my mind, they have longer/larger ports too don't they? I may have to invest..

yeah. uses a fly by wire throttle mine uses a cable so not sure if the throttle body is swappable

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Dave438: I know what you mean in that sense, but only looking to do the quick fixes etc. Just making it sound better for instance just to entertain me for that while longer.

Zeitgeist0190: Cheers, yeh think I may go for a full induction kit, have looked at this http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=1568&appid=4 like you said though the manifold is hard to come by :/ Guess I'll keep the search up. as far as remap would you go for a remap of the stock ecu or have a standalone one? need to find a local place to get the pros and cons.

Ben Lee: Thank you, I'll have a look for a twingo inlet, the reason i asked is on ebay the 172/182 inlets are dirt cheap!!! £9 the cheapest and the compatibility checker states it fits the 1.6 :S Just looking to do a few bits without spending too much.

Had a chance at a 182 with giving my car at the value of 1400 and paying 1500, But just couldn't see my 1.6 go for 1400 so sticking with it for now

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

Zeitgeist0190: Cheers, yeh think I may go for a full induction kit, have looked at this http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=1568&appid=4 like you said though the manifold is hard to come by :/ Guess I'll keep the search up. as far as remap would you go for a remap of the stock ecu or have a standalone one? need to find a local place to get the pros and cons.

That's nearly twice the price of my 57i! Even the 57i Gen 2 is cheaper!! If you're not changing the manifold, then your TB is at the back, if you do get a twingoRS manifold - bear in mind your induction Kit may no longer fit/locate properly.
for a remap - i'd probably just remap the standard ECU for ease. Most palces i've looked have approximated 10% gains on our engines so i'd get up to about 110hp, you've get slightly more on a 1.6 i think. as for how to go about it, i'd be tempted to get an RStuner for it, then you can map at will. Other mapping services offer the same thing, prices seem to be about 250-300 here, an rs tuner is nearly a third of the price so might be more desirable. you can even buy it, map the car and sell it on to recoup most of your cash.

 

[EvoFq3o0]

That's nearly twice the price of my 57i! Even the 57i Gen 2 is cheaper!! If you're not changing the manifold, then your TB is at the back, if you do get a twingoRS manifold - bear in mind your induction Kit may no longer fit/locate properly.
for a remap - i'd probably just remap the standard ECU for ease. Most palces i've looked have approximated 10% gains on our engines so i'd get up to about 110hp, you've get slightly more on a 1.6 i think. as for how to go about it, i'd be tempted to get an RStuner for it, then you can map at will. Other mapping services offer the same thing, prices seem to be about 250-300 here, an rs tuner is nearly a third of the price so might be more desirable. you can even buy it, map the car and sell it on to recoup most of your cash.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I was hoping for a closed unit as for the induction kit, but may well go for the 57i like you suggested.

Interested in the RStuner, How would I go about getting it supplied and fitted?

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

What I know so far abiut the rstu er is you can get one from here for say about a 100, though they are snapped up quick. One you get it, you need to contact henk@fastchip.nl for an unlock code and then buy whatever map, I.e. the performance map, all in all I think the total cost is say 180, once you uplosd the map to tbe car, jf you have no desire to ever change it for another rstuner map, you can then sell the tuner on for the same 100

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Cheers, Really appreciate your help.

I've just got my membership as you suggested. sorry another question though where do I look out for one of the RStuner boxes?

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

When your membership gets processed, have a look in the for sale section!

 

[Martin_172]

best bet is to use Twingo RS 133 bits, same basic engine.

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Thanks Zeitgeist, couldn't find any but seen a full 172 kit need to message Henk really as may go for a new rs tuner as they cheaper than I thought.

Martin_172: I've been looking around for parts but not really found much, is there anywhere else other than ebay?

 

[ben lee]

could try www.twingo133.net

 

[Martin_172]

ebay is your best bet, its not as easy as change the inlet manifold and exhaust manifold and gain 25bhp though the engines run a higher compression ratio and different cams, for the money it would cost you would be better swapping to 2.0 power or boosting your current 1.6

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Cheers Ben and Martin, Think I'll leave it for now then just booked a holiday instead and ordered a RSTuner :race:Should I get a full induction kit before mapping?

 

[Martin_172]

wont matter as its a generic map not custom to your mods so while you will likely get a small benefit from an induction kit if done properly it doesn't matter if you do it before or after the map.

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

Cheers Ben and Martin, Think I'll leave it for now then just booked a holiday instead and ordered a RSTuner :race:Should I get a full induction kit before mapping?

I may be interested in buying the tuner off you - price dependent - when you're done!

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Thanks Martin Really appreciate your input

Zeitgeitst: Didn't really think about selling it on after use, but I guess it's something I can consider. Will defiantly give you first dibs if I do.

Oh and what do you think of this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-C...=Model:Clio|Cars+Type:1.6&hash=item2a1e31b09b

 

[Martin_172]

I find it a handy tool to have for reading and clearing fault codes on any Renault so didn't bother selling mine!

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Hmm something to consider, Martin I saw you mention 172 injectors on a tce. I'm guessing this wouldn't benefit me with a NA engine.

Ordererd K&N Induction kit same as yousr zeit

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

Hmm something to consider, Martin I saw you mention 172 injectors on a tce.

I've somewhere down on my to-do list a plan to fit 172 Injectors on my 1.4. So there must have been some benefit - i would assume more fuel.

 

[Martin_172]

na TCE only, injectors are more than up to the job on the 1.6

 

[ben lee]

yeah no benefit of running 172 injectors.

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

Good to know that's one i can scratch.

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Cheers for the reply about the injectors Is there any little things that can make a difference?
Full service and brakes on Friday, then I will fit the induction kit and use the RSTuner Saturday :race:Looking forward to seeing what the difference will be.

Can't stop looking for bits though. Think my savings may convert to this if I'm not careful http://store.trwperformance.com/product_info.php?cPath=12_22&products_id=226&language=uk

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

Cheers for the reply about the injectors Is there any little things that can make a difference? Full service and brakes on Friday, then I will fit the induction kit and use the RSTuner Saturday :race:Looking forward to seeing what the difference will be. Can't stop looking for bits though. Think my savings may convert to this if I'm not careful http://store.trwperformance.com/product_info.php?cPath=12_22&products_id=226&language=uk

Need to service mine too - just need the time and tools really! You'll have to let me know how the RS tuner turns out for you on the 1.6!! I imagine it'll just be smoother throughout the rev range. Don't be expecting rubber-burning rocket ship

I saw that turbo too, waste of money unfortuantely unless you were making this clio you're lovechild. that 1300 would nearly buy you a 182. I dread to think what your insurance would say when you explain you've turbocharged it, with an aftermarket kit.
​They'll just change every other word into "DANGEROUS EXPLODING DEATHTRAP FULL OF KIDS"

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Awww I don't want smooth I want a bit crazy......Sure will let you know though

Hmmm well I have 2 grand in my savings and keep looking at 182's. Just not sure what price to accept for my 04 1.6 @ 32k Miles.

I should save but my pockets are burning

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

how long have you been driving and how much ncb etc? Might as well keep the 1.6 as a regular car for a bit, some tasteful mods but nothing crazy dear that cant be transferred to your 182 down the line.
I've faced the fact i'll probably not get the money i put back into my 1.4 since i've already passed the 900 i paid for it. It's now on 103k miles and tbh, she runs great. I'm just gonna keep it until i've more NCB than i've had hot meals or get bored of it and can convice someone to give me something/anything for it. Hell, it'd nearly be worth keeping until the engine dies, and then just buying another to put in it. a 1.4 engine in ebay was around £300!

 

[EvoFq3o0]

I've been driving 6 years and have 6 years NCB. Insurance on a 182 would be around £900. Paid £2600 for my car in March 2011 with 19,005 Miles on it.

So part ex'ing it for 1400 is not something I would accept I will try and hold out so I can get a better example of a 182.

wow that's plenty of miles I've never had a petrol car over 55k always sell and move one before then, a little scared of going to 60k haha. is it insurance then that's stopping you from moving to a 182?

I've seen a few 172 engines cheap like 350-450 but not sure how much it would cost to fit.

 

[JamesWilson]

I have a stainless raceland 4-1 manifold on my k4j (1.4 16v) i'm willing to sell it if i can find a standard manifold and cat for the right price.

diblas sell an induction manifold for the 1.4 1.6 engines but for the money you can buy a 172.

It was all good fun modifying my 1.4 16v as my first car now im moving onto a 1*2 to spend some real money and get some decent n.a power

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Hi James, Cheers would that fit a k4m engine?

Let me know what your thinking price wise anyway as it's something to consider. I'm Going looking at a 182 this weekend so may or may not progress with this.

 

[Martin_172]

you can use an F4R throttle body off a 2.0 16v Laguna on these its a little larger apparently but ive never done it.

I think the RS tuner might surprise you im sure someone on here used one a few years ago and were impressed by it, remember you will need to run 98/99 ron fuel to make the most of it

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Cheers Martin I'll keep my eye out for a cheap one. I hope to be surprised ah didn't know that, have just filled up as well Think I read Henk allowed for it to still run on normal unleaded, so I should be ok until filling up next time. Not read anyone's review on it for a 1.6 yet.

It arrived today, just awaiting my unlock and map from Henk, Hope he sends it tomorrow so I can do it after my cars been serviced Excited like a kid at Christmas.

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

excited to know the results!

 

[ben lee]

fitted a raceland 4-1 with a decat to mine a few days ago has made a noticeable difference and changed the tone of the exhaust too. just need to get a re-map on mine now.

 

[Martin_172]

yeah you can run it on 95 no problem but the map is designed to make the maximum potential from 98/99 so you really need that and will possibly take a few tanks of that before it really starts to make the most of it

 

[EvoFq3o0]

Nice Ben do you have a video of it?

Thanks Martin I'll have to find out what they do at my local garage, The map I've received is Ron 97 would this be super unleaded?

 

[Zeitgeist0190]

I'd definitely love to hear a video of Bens car and yours, Evo once you guys have got those mods on!!

Evo: 97RON is generally super unleaded yeah, like BP Ultimate/Shell V-Power/Tesco 99/ etc.