hmmm....its hard tho, cos even tho im only 19 now, im craving for the power, when i first passed at 17, i was a named driver on my dads s reg rover 600 which is a 2litre, and it was the nuts, and i like to think i was responsible, and i think it prepared me well cos i had the power, didnt mis use it, and then just after i turned 18, i had enough saved for the clio, and to insure it, if i was in his shoes now (but i spose that is after 2 year experience) if i had the cash id go for the 172 any day