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Clio Williams Question



  Pink & Blue 182, JDM DC2
I've never known the answer to this so hopefully someone can answer me.

What was Williams' involvement in the Clio Williams?

Thanks
 

Don

  182 & LY Clio 220 ed
Because Renault made the Williams engines at that time...Frank Williams et al had no input whatsoever from what I can gather...the car was only made as homolgation for rallying IIRC.
 
DarthCake said:
Oh right - just wondering why its called a Williams then... weird...

Williams F1 won the championship roundabout that time...they used the williams name on the clio to get mroe sales/commemorate the event...nothing else.
 

EVOgone

ClioSport Club Member
  Pink Cup Racer
Linking Williams to the Clio...they had no involvement apart from the stickers and plaques...hence PR bullshit
 
  MERCEDES CLS AMG
Williams had no involvement at all - Renault used the name to build 400 road cars so they could go rallying back in 93 with the clio. It was so popular and ahead of its time they ended up making thousands.
 
  Pink & Blue 182, JDM DC2
jon_r said:
I don't know why they haven't used Alonsos' name yet. There has to be money in that.

Didn't they already do that? With one signed by Alonso and Fisichella?
 
  MERCEDES CLS AMG
Quote from a popular motoring magazine

"As per usual, the car has had few minor faults such as a dead electric window switch and a dead wheel bearing.

Remember though that this is an 11 year old short production run homologation-special hot hatch manufactured by a French state-owned company who don't have a reputation for stunning build quality! Given this, I think the Willy and I are doing rather well.

General comments?
The "Best Hot Hatch Ever" is all I expected it to be and more.

My appetite was previously whetted through long-term ownership of the 16V, upon which the Williams is based. The Williams takes the best bits about driving the 16V and makes them better. Please bear with this long review - it's a bit geeky, but it's accurate and could help you a lot!

Mine's one of the original 1993 Williams batch (No. 123 of the 400!), which was followed in 1994 and 1995 by the Williams 2 and 3 respectively. The original Willy was a homologation special for Renault's antics in Group A rallying - yes, it was up against the likes of the Integrale, Scooby and Cosworth back in the day. On tarmac at least, it was as quick and quicker: the Tour de Corse in 1993 being a particular giant-slaying event. Despite the lack of 4WD, a turbo and being about 200bhp down on the competition, the Willy showed the world how an amazing chassis and torquey motor make up for the lack of technological trickery.

In keeping with the rally theme, the road-going homologation car is a little spartan. The Willy 1 is a Phase 1 Clio, so some interior and exterior visual aspects have dated more quickly than the Phase 2 Clio range (1994-on, including the Williams 2 and 3). The Willy 1 also dispenses the sunroof, electric mirrors, door bottom speakers and some soundproofing found on its contemporary 16V brother.

In its original incarnation, the Willy was sold at a very similar price to the 16V, so these equipment economies were made to get the uprated engine and suspension on board at the price (Renault said it was because customers for the Willy wouldn't want these anyway).

In terms of the exterior, the Willy similar to the 16V. No bad thing, since this entails "that" bonnet bulge and air intake, flared front and rear arches and wider bumpers. The Willy obviously adds the trademark combination of 449 Sports Blue paintwork (Monaco Blue on Willy 3), the gold Speedline wheels with polished silver rims, a slightly larger rear lip spoiler and the Williams decals. The offset of the wheels naturally fills the arches a bit more, but up front the wider track from the suspension modifications pushes the wheels much further out than on the 16V. As a result, the wheels are very easy to kerb.

The mechanicals are where the Williams makes its biggest departure from the 16V. Bored out to 1998cc, the 16V-based bottom end is home to a crank from the 1.9 diesel. The cylinder head and inlet manifold are polished 16V items, with larger inlet valves and a resin coating. The engine also gains a custom fabricated steel manifold, uprated ignition components and a few other bits that I don't think would be of much interest!

This tweaked motor supposedly develops 150bhp at the flywheel, but almost every Williams strapped to a rolling road dyno has made in excess of this figure (I know it's convenient - but it's also true). The "undersquare" nature of the engine gives it 85% of its torque at a mere 2500rpm and 100% all the way from 4000rpm to the redline. That's torquey. The rev limiter cuts in at about 6500rpm (750 rpm earlier than the 16V), giving the Willy the nickname of "tractor engine" amongst some. Very different to the 16V.

It's actually a very pleasant car to pootle about in, for whilst the gearbox and clutch are harsh, the low-down power carries the car through most situations without the need to change down a gear. Motorway trips are a noisy affair due to the lack of soundproofing, but the Williams does get a taller 5th gear than the 16V (as well as a beefed up casing, bearings and clutch). While you do need arms and legs like HeMan, your wallet will fair better since economy averages at about 33mpg.

While it may also be fairly cheap to buy a Williams, owning one might not always be so. Parts prices are relatively modest although labour costs can shoot up due to the nature of the mechanicals being squashed into a small Clio engine bay. Even replacing an auxiliary belt requires the removal of the bonnet and a front headlamp. The condition of cars for sale varies enormously and it is wise to take a companion familiar with the 16V and Williams with you to view a car. Many "mint" examples are not. This makes finding a pristine example of a very rare car even more difficult.

Nonetheless, for a car that is regularly featured alongside 911s and Elises in the press, these occasional hardships are a minor inconvenience. Today's equivalent would be something akin to a Clio 182 with a 2.2 litre engine, devoid of all unnecessary luxuries and with heavily revised suspension and mechanicals. While Renault got close with the 172 Cup, something faithful to the Williams idea is unlikely to appear again in the medium term"

I would recommend a Williams above any other car I have owned or driven. It is truly unsurpassed
 

EVOgone

ClioSport Club Member
  Pink Cup Racer
Williams was sucessful as the F2 cars were allowed to be so light. All the 4wd class where about 2/300 kg heavier. The 306 maxi was the most sucessfull in the Williams class.

Ultimately the complains about the weight differential (enforced min weight as the 4wd car could have been a lot lower) from the manufactures was the dimise of F2. Shame really as the F2 cars sounded great..!
 
  CS Dungeon
EVOgone said:
Linking Williams to the Clio...they had no involvement apart from the stickers and plaques...hence PR bullsh*t

I'd rather 'Williams' then clio 'CUP'...........Is it made of china??...........PR Bullshit:rolleyes:
 

EVOgone

ClioSport Club Member
  Pink Cup Racer
Terrorist said:
I'd rather 'Williams' then clio 'CUP'...........Is it made of china??...........PR Bullsh*t:rolleyes:

Willy = Penis........

The Ragnotti, well at least he had a bit to do this the cars suspension set-up so in fact there is more than a link them Williams ever was.....

Anyways who cares..
 

seb

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio trophy
now now evogone, lets not get the hump in this thread. you've already said you think thewilliams was pr bullshit. no need to post willy = penis as you have only posted that to casue others to reply and start an argument.
 

EVOgone

ClioSport Club Member
  Pink Cup Racer
seb182 said:
now now evogone, lets not get the hump in this thread. you've already said you think thewilliams was pr bullsh*t. no need to post willy = penis as you have only posted that to casue others to reply and start an argument.

No arguments from me.

Im leaving this thread now as its a blind alley...
 
EVOgone said:
The Ragnotti, well at least he had a bit to do this the cars suspension set-up so in fact there is more than a link them Williams ever was.
Whats a Ragnotti the Uk Clio owners have never heard of one ;-)
 

Clart

ClioSport Club Member
i'd like to own a williams at some point, had 2 valvers and loved them to bits, but they are getting on abit - perhaps i'd have one as a second car one day
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
clart most are perfectlyfine aslong as they have been looked after mate....touchwood....mine has never given me any major problems at all....but as you say they are getting on slightly...shouldn't let that put you off though
 

EVOgone

ClioSport Club Member
  Pink Cup Racer
edde said:
Whats a Ragnotti the Uk Clio owners have never heard of one ;-)

lol you know that French dude who recons hes a bit of a Jedi behind the wheel...

He used the force on the Cup, that why they are so fast ... lol
 
  Vee dub
In my opinion the williams is the best clio made...

that may also be due to it benig my fave lol

It's my next car :approve:
 

Clart

ClioSport Club Member
Freebone said:
clart most are perfectlyfine aslong as they have been looked after mate....touchwood....mine has never given me any major problems at all....but as you say they are getting on slightly...shouldn't let that put you off though

I don't doubt it, i just like something a bit more refined - ie air con and leather etc etc
 


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